Is this an example?

It's the difference in tone between Roar and the classic series that bugs people.

Doing another version with a comedic tone isn't exactly new or controversal, though. There's also that the original audience isn't in the same demographic anymore, so alienating them would by definition fall under Periphery Demographic.

What you're talking about is at most They Changed It, Now It Sucks!

edited 21st May '18 1:33:15 PM by AnotherDuck

Hit it on the head. It's an Audience-Alienating Premise to fans of the original Thundercats... but to the people it's actually aimed at, I see no indication that's the case.

Now, it brings up the question of "...why even attach the Thundercat name if you're going to drive away all fans of the original?" but it's not AAP.

Still don't think making a comedic version of it is in any way inherently alienating, even if it was for the original audience. It's not like you're taking a cynical thriller and making a comedy out of it. It's a kids' show you're making comedic. That's entirely within reason.

I don't think it's the "comedic" part of the premise that's alienating, it's the "Teen Titans Go with the Thundercats."

It isn't just 'Thundercats but as a comedy' its 'Thundercats as a comedy that is absolutely nothing like its source material and only attempting to ride the coat tails of Teen Titans Go, to the point of bordering on In Name Only', anyone who actually has even heard about 'Thundercats' anywhere wouldn't even imagine watching it based on that alone.

edited 21st May '18 4:19:37 PM by Memers

"they escape from their exploding planet and try to protect their new one from Mumm-Ra" sounds pretty ThunderCats-y to me.

Speaking of which, here's a Roar example spree.

WesternAnimation.Thunder Cats Roar:

• Butt-Monkey: Judging from the opening sequence and the poster, this seems to be Tygra's role in the series
• Lighter and Softer: While the two previous series had their light moments, they were still rather dark. This one introduces its main villain reading a newspaper before going after the heroes.
• Theme Tune: Rather than rely on a variation of the traditional theme, the show's intro makes use of a song called "Thunder'n'Echo" by a Japanese band

Trivia.Thunder Cats Roar:

• Follow the Leader: Inverted example, this is yet another Warner Bros property given the Denser and Wackier treatment ala Teen Titans Go!, which is likewise produced by WB.

edited 21st May '18 4:23:36 PM by Crossover-Enthusiast

That's still not alienating. That's not a concept that scares people away. It might not interest some select fans of the original, but I'm pretty sure anyone who's not seen it, which is pretty much everyone this is actually targetted for, is not going to be scared away by the premise. "Not entirely appealing" is not the same as "scaring the audience away".

The first one is speculation, and the example admits as much. Example don't "seem" like they're true. They're either true or not, and if you're not sure, you're speculating. We don't do that.

I don't see how reading a newspaper has anything to do with being Lighter and Softer. Pretty sure I've seen some rather horrible villains read. Misaimed attempt at context.

The last one is not an "inverted" example. And it's not the trope if it's the same creator. It's just them using the same idea once more.

I've got a question about Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy here. It sounds like it only applies when all sides are so dark/reprehensible there's no meaningful distinction and thus no reason too root for anyone. If a work does have characters we like and want to root for, but they keep failing, suffering, get their chains yanked, or their positive moments are ultimately irrelevant to the story, does it count? If not, this trope needs serious cleanup.

If the characters are good, then the story must go out of its way to beat them down and prevent them from accomplishing anything meaningful. For example, they defeat a minor villain and make life better for a few people for a short while, but then the whole city those people live in gets nuked. We're talking that level of terribleness.

If the protagonists do accomplish significant or lasting victories, it can't be DIAA even if the setting they're in remains extremely dark.

edited 22nd May '18 1:56:12 PM by Fighteer

So uh on Spiderman Turn Off The Dark this was commentated out for being Zero-context. Is it really though?

• Evil Is Cool: Patrick Page's riotously-over-the-top Green Goblin is pretty much the only thing from the show that's unironically liked.

Ah I see.

edited 22nd May '18 11:39:47 AM by miraculous

Doesn't explain how it's "cool".

From Unintentional Period Piece:

• Ralph Breaks The Internet Wreck It Ralph 2 is already showing significant signs of this, being based on current Internet culture which, given Animation Lead Time and the Walt Disney Company's legendary Disco Dan tendencies, are sure to be at least a bit behind the times already when the movie is released. The title in particular suffers this, as the phrase "breaking the Internet" was already considered outdated before it became inextricably linked with Kim Kardashian's naked behind.

I feel this entry falls too much under Speculative Troping since the movie isn't out yet, but is it a valid example?

Considering it says on the Unintentional Period Piece not to add any examples less than 10 years old, I'd say no.

Trivia.Thunder Cats Roar:

• Thundercats NOOOOOO, Thundercucks or Tumblrcats for the series proper.
  • The latter also has "TUMBLR, TUMBLR, TUMBLR, TUMBLRCATS, REEEEEEEEEE!" as a shout-out to the original series' opening.

• Relationship Voice Actor: Lion-O and Cheetara are Ryuji and Futaba.

edited 22nd May '18 3:17:06 PM by Crossover-Enthusiast

I dont want that Tumblr Cats thing anywhere near the page.

I was surfing the web and was unfortunate enough to come across this fanfic of The X-Files. I was wondering if it was an example of Ron the Death Eater for Agent Mulder because he seems to be being a bit mean.

The latter two are troping an actual person, right? Little Miss Snarker is on the character's section, and Ms. Fanservice... Well, it'd be Zero Context, so should I move or just cut?

Creator.India Eisley

Troping an actor's roles is fine. Troping the actor herself isn't (possible exception if it relates to her work).

Since those all have zero context, add context or remove.

edited 22nd May '18 10:40:33 PM by AnotherDuck

Troping an actor's roles seems odd to me, unless they're tropes common to several of the actor's roles. Otherwise shouldn't examples just be applied to the works and character pages in question?

Would you consider the Skek Sis from Dark Crystal to be examples of the trope Grotesque Gallery like the flying monkeys in Wizard of Oz and Wheelers in Return to Oz are, especially since "Also all of The Dark Crystal by Jim Henson" is under the Film example of Grotesque Gallery?

edited 23rd May '18 6:15:51 AM by AdamElY

Regarding Black Dude Dies First, if the first named character to die is the black guy, but a number of unnamed and otherwise unimportant non-black characters die before him, is it still an example?

From Entertainingly Wrong, under The Order of the Stick:

• Later, Tarquin recounted how his ninth wife Penelope had, when she was younger, had a child with a man who turned out to be a member of Girard Draketooth's family, and that the latter had spirited the child away with him to raise her amongst his own. Penelope died soon before she had the chance to hire adventurers to help her follow up on a lead that could have reunited her with them. Upon learning this, Haley, Durkon and Elan came to the conclusion that, since Nale seemed to have knowledge about the Gate that the Draketooths were guarding, that he had Sabine discreetly kill her to prevent anyone else from learning anything more about it. A perfectly reasonable outcome, though the truth turned out to be something they couldn't have known. Vaarsuvius's then-recent Deal with the Devil culminated in hir casting of Familicide, which s/he had intended to scourge the world of any Black Dragons related to the one that had attempted to take revenge on hir, as well as any related to them. S/he had, at the time, failed to take into account that this would also apply to any Half-Human Hybrids (or, indeed, any other crossbreeds) that were related to any affected Black Dragons, and, as the Draketooth family were Black Dragon descended, Penelope had been caught in the crossfire of the spell by dint of mothering a child of their blood.

Came across this on Less Disturbing in Context

• David Cameron unveiling Margaret Thatcher's bust at Conservative Party headquarters.

..Is that even example?

Seems valid to me. That "S/he" should be changed to "V" though.