Is this an example?

Reposting from the previous page, which was reposted from 5 pages ago, so it doesn't get lost:

Are the following examples being used correctly?:

Iron Fist (2017):

• Vindicated by History: The show makes a lot more sense after you've seen The Defenders, as it presents the full backstory of K'un-Lun and The Hand, plus making clear that Danny was supposed to be pretty unlikable.

Batman Returns:

• Unintentional Period Piece: The script mentions murderer Ted Bundy (who had been executed just a few years earlier), Alfred suggests that Bruce Wayne switch the TV channel to Love Connection, and in one crowd scene the camera briefly passes over a young man wearing a jacket with a picture of Gogo Dodo from Tiny Toon Adventures, as if the filmmakers were daring us: "Betcha can't catch us trying to date this film!"

Seems colourful enough to fit.

From YMMV.Beetlejuice:

• Hilarious in Hindsight: Lydia's reference to Delia "sleeping with Prince Valium tonight" becomes this when you consider an actual character by that name appeared in Spaceballs (and after seeing him you can understand why Delia would be rendered unconscious by spending a night with him).

Since Beetlejuice came out after Spaceballs, does this really count?

Umm, yeah, that seems backwards.

Unwinnable by Design:

Does getting screwed by the RNG count? It doesn't seem to play into any of the other examples?

I think that seems to pile on too many details, and it's not just pure RNG. It also requires you to be ill-prepared. Basically, "If I play badly, I'm screwed."

Is this too vague and/or Flame Bait-y to qualify as a Take That!:

• Season 3 Episode 3 of The Black Tapes features Alex looking for distraction as the scope of her investigations start to overwhelm her. She states that, due to the political situation at the time of recording, which would have been around the time of or not long after the 2016 election of Donald Trump as President given the episode's September 2017 release date, she watched the news and encountered a lead on her investigation proper after looking up "shortest Presidential terms".

edited 28th Sep '17 8:17:55 AM by sgamer82

BlatantLies.Video Games:

Isn't he telling the truth? They actually aren't investigating the Reapers? Blatant Lying would be them saying this, while investigating the Reapers?

Franchise.Mass Effect:

edited 29th Sep '17 8:22:27 AM by Malady

That definitely looks like misuse from the way it's currently written.

Can Been There, Shaped History be use for fictitious history or is it just limited to real event with fictional characters?

It's specifically for real life history. There's a difference between writing your character into the history you've created, and rewriting the history that actually happened to fit your character in.

Obvious corollary: how do shared universes fit in here?

So a example like this:

• Galen "Starkiller" Marek, the Villain Protagonist of Star Wars: The Force Unleashed. If it is to be believed, he is the one responsible for bringing together the various Rebel faction leaders in order to form the Alliance. To top it all off, the design of his family's crest is posthumously adopted as the symbol for the new Alliance.
  • It was really Kota who did most of the important work. He was the one who located and contacted all of the Rebel leaders, and Galen never would have gotten as far as he did without his guidance. The future Rebel senators were not only already familiar with each other, but that their plans for an Alliance went back as far as before the Empire was declared. The only reason Galen got all the credit is probably because he did most of the fighting, along with his Heroic Sacrifice aboard the Death Star I. It would be more accurate to say that Galen, Kota, and the rest of the Rogue Shadow crew were collectively this trope.

Is a clear misuse as it just add new backstory for an already established universe?

Yeah, that's misuse. Just additional backstory.

The one caveat I could have for this is religion and mythology, but as the trope is written, those would be excluded as well.

Ok. I go remove the misuses as I find them.

In case somebody forget: I raised an question regarding Hikikomori in reply 4345, Memers requested further clarification in reply 4346 and I followed up in reply 4350, but there hasn't been any follow-up since.

edited 30th Sep '17 11:09:55 PM by SamCurt

Can this apply to Residual Self-Image:

• A story where someone who comes back as a ghost comes back as their self image. Not everyone comes back looking exactly like they did in real life.

Its not an alternate plane of existance but i think its the same idea.

edited 1st Oct '17 8:44:04 PM by PistolsAtDawn

Another one:

Surprisingly Happy Ending is for endings which are supring to the audience, right, not the characters. So I dont think really any Disney Princess movie which ends with the characters living happily ever after shoul count. Can I remove these:

• Disney's Aladdin. Under the laws of Agrabah, Princess Jasmine had to marry a prince. At the end of the movie Aladdin was no longer a prince so Jasmine couldn't marry him. But wait!
  Sultan: Well, am I Sultan or am I Sultan? From this day forth, the princess shall marry whomever she deems worthy.
• In The Princess And The Frog, it looks like Tiana and Naveen will be stuck as frogs, only to discover that them marrying makes Tiana a princess, thus giving her kiss the power to turn them back.
• In Tangled, Flynn actually dies after cutting Rapunzel's hair, which prevented her from using it to heal him. That is, until it turns out that Rapunzel's tears still retained some of her healing powers.

So it's been 6 days, is there any chance I could get an opinion on the examples I posted above x18.

The Vindicated by History one seems to fit better under Rewatch Bonus, since it describes future developments in a series giving older installments more context, especially since the general opinion on Iron Fist hasn't seemed to improve.

The Unintentional Period Piece one is a little nitpicky, but it makes an alright case for it.

Are the following examples being used correctly?:

From Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince:

• Adaptation Displacement: Hermione snarking that she has to go and vomit at Ron and Lavender's Sickeningly Sweethearts behaviour is entirely in the film. Fans forget that it doesn't happen in the book.
• Unintentionally Sympathetic: Lavender is meant to come across as a Clingy Jealous Girl, but you can't help but feel a little sorry for her. Ron only gets with her to make Hermione jealous, and she only behaves so nauseatingly romantic towards him because he never tells her he doesn't like being treated that way.

From Red State:

• Career Resurrection: Sort of. While his mainstream career pretty much ended after Cop Out, this film saw the beginning of Kevin Smith's new series of self-financed road show films, allowing him to continue to make films exactly the way he wants to. He also claimed that working with Michael Parks made him fall in love with filmmaking again after Cop Out made him start to hate it.

^ the first two look fine to me

If a fanfic features a large number of Original Characters, most of whom are LGBT, but the canon characters dont change their orientation, is that Everyone Is Gay or Cast Full of Gay?

Bringing back one I posted earlier for In Spite of a Nail. I have a question about it, but the dedicated thread I made didn't go anywhere so I'm trying here again:

• In the Red Panda Adventures episode "The World Next Door" and its Sequel Episode, "A Dish Best Served Cold" a time traveler from an Alternate Timeline's World War II named Baboon McSmoothie convinces the Depression era Red Panda to help him steal the prototype of an invention that would one day become a major part of the Nazi war effort by offering him the case file of a Villain Team-Up that killed his Red Panda's Flying Squirrel. It's noted in-universe that there are vast differences between the two worlds, such as the Red Panda's costume being different, the alternate Flying Squirrel being a teenage boy instead of an adult woman, and three out of five members of the Villain Team-Up being either Gender Flipped or having different identities entirely. Despite these differences, the conference the prototype was to be displayed at, the Villain Team-Up, and eventually World War II itself, all occur across both timelines. The conference in particular is part of the reason the main universe was picked for McSmoothie's heist in the first place, besides avoiding a Temporal Paradox.

I got one response to the original post from Fighteer, who said the two worlds seemed too different to count. But isn't that the whole point of the trope? That two connected settings (or real life vs fiction land) are significantly different yet certain events still occur? Here we have two universes where there distinct events all happen very similarly to one another.

Ultimate Marvel

• Comic-Book Time: In sharp contrast to 616 continuity in its early years, the Ultimate comics adopted comic book time from the beginning. To give an example all 200 issues of Ultimate Spider-Man pass without the character graduating from high school, which means that the entire Ultimate comics run including the appearance of the X-Men, the Fantastic Four, the entire history of the Ultimates along with many crisis crossovers happen in a span of around 3 years or more.

However, the actual problem is not Ultimate Marvel. The problem is the first line, "In sharp contrast to 616 continuity in its early years...". Clarification for those who are not into comics: Ultimate Marvel was an Alternate Universe of Marvel Comics, published from 2000 to 2015, and 616 is the mainstream Marvel Universe (basically, everything from Marvel Comics that is not from an alternate universe). The line suggests that Ultimate Marvel has CBT and the mainstream Marvel universe did not. Which is far from being the case: not only does Marvel have CBT, it is (along with DC Comics) the Trope Codifier. Just check the examples in the trope: Comic books have a page for their own, and Marvel has half a page with examples.

There was a discussion about it at the discussion section, but it's not going anywhere. Julian Lapostat claims that Marvel did not have CBT in its early years, and cites a pair of examples of time passing, but 1) time passing in some areas and not in others is actually a part of the trope (it's in the description), and 2) this is a trope of Long-Runners, so of course that it would be less evident in the early years of any given long runner (when it wasn't a long runner just yet), trope codifier included.

Is this an example of Screwed by the Network?

• My Knight and Me, for whatever reason, was hated by Cartoon Network fans judging by the like to dislike ratio on any videos related to the show. It was soon bullied off air by angry CN fans and was shafted to Boomerang.