Is this an example?

Hilarious in Hindsight is another one of those pages where it seems to be almost impossible to get people to stop shoehorning it. That's not an example in any sense.

~Chaotic Queen: That's exactly the opposite of the trope definition. Nerd in Evil's Helmet is when the outward appearance is sinister but the character inside is a nerd. Ares is the other way around: affable and unimposing while in masquerade but sinister in his true identity.

Got it. Thanks!

Needs must Stuffed into the Fridge be deliberate in-universe?

Relevant example:

Doctor Who's "The Age of Steel" has Jackie is turned into a Cyberman, which caused distress to her husband and her alternate universe self's daughter, but this was not the goal of the Cybermen, who believe that Cyber-conversion is doing humanity a favor.

I'm not sure that's an example anyway. Distress aside, the person who dies is an alternate universe double of a character who never died in the main universe

This example of Unexpected Character was placed on Anime.Kira Kira Precure A La Mode prior to it being reclassified as an Audience Reaction. Before I transfer it, I would like to know if it's misuse.

• Unexpected Character: Julio has been in the opening since the first Episode, but many assumed he was a girl and possible Dark Magical Girl who would Heel–Face Turn like Precure tradition. So there was quite shock when said "girl" turned out to be a guy and the (supposed) Big Bad.

Another example was placed under it as a second-level bullet.

• Also Ciel. Her initial design gave people the impression that she would be another Regina in both story and personality. But her personality is quite the opposite of what people have expected, sweet, friendly, and a fan of the Pretty Cures.

I would like to know if both examples are misuse.

First is definitely misuse. That's more like Viewer Gender Confusion.

Second is also misuse, but there isn't really a trope I can think of to transplant it to.

edited 25th Jun '17 5:13:50 PM by Karxrida

Thank you for clearing things up.

Cross Ange has an example of Darker and Edgier I'm not sure about.

• Darker and Edgier: It's the Spiritual Successor of the Mobile Suit Gundam SEED franchise and it's very dark and bloody. The themes of the show are explicit references to terrorism, racism, sexism and sexual abuse in more detail than in Gundam. Only 3 characters in the show are actually nice and everyone else is a complete Jerkass. There are scenes of the main character getting hanged and babies getting abandoned. The main villain is a rapist god who wants the destruction of two parallel universes by merging them together. He also tortures two characters through explicit mind rape and forcing them to masturbate. The gore is very high despite it being animated with someone getting their skin melted off, a character getting blasted in half with a high case of Overdrawn at the Blood Bank and characters getting shot and stabbed constantly. One common warning about people is that is not for the faint of heart.

My issue is that it's Darker and Edgier than a fairly unrelated work. The entry refers to this work as a Spiritual Successor to Gundam SEED (they do share a director and are about mecha and racism) but the connection seems a bit tenuous for the entry.

I agree. One can evaluate Darker and Edgier against prior installments in a franchise, direct parents of adaptations, and against general genre/sub-genre expectations, but not against a completely unrelated work.

I wouldn't say it's 'unrelated'. the Gundam Seed director was heavily touted as 'creative director' and it was massively milked as a successor to Gundam Seed to the point which the opening is the same almost shot for shot.

Said opening was released weeks before hand to drive hype... then the main character was raped at the end of first episode.

edited 26th Jun '17 11:38:25 AM by Memers

For the trope Adaptational Wimp, I was under the impression that it's about a character's effectiveness or usefulness to the plot. The page does say that "minor power decrease or had their most badass moment cut". However, if a character is immensely reduced in capability, having no superpowers/ability at all, or suddenly becoming a non-combat character, does this trope still count?

For example. In Jessica Jones (2015), a superhero from the comics called Hellcat got adapted into a civilian supporting character who is rarely ever participates in the direct conflict.

The trope says that it is not about when a character has a minor power decrease or has their most badass moment cut. A character who is de-powered or reduced to an ineffectual role in an adaptation is most definitely an example.

Thank you for clarifying.

But that's nothing about the works actually being related so much as the advertising being related. Advertising and hype aside, the works themselves seem to be about as connected as Aliens and Avatar.

Would this be an example of Foil for Ichika Usami of Kirakira Precure A La Mode? Before I edit it in?

• Foil: For Ciel. While they may both share the same goal of using sweets to make people happy, they both are rather different in their methods in doing so. While Ciel focuses on the technical aspects and visual presentations of making sweets, including the taste and combinations, Ichika is really just focused in the "fun" of making sweets and making people happy with them, even if they come out as Ciel says in Episode 20, "ordinary."

Probably not. Foil is not just "they are similar, but not identical." The better trope here looks like Technician Versus Performer.

So shall I edit it in as Technician vs. Performer then?

I have a question about this entry from Shin Megami Tensei IV: Apocalypse, since the way it's written seems a bit complainy:

I should also point out that the person who originally posted this entry has a bit of a Single-Issue Wonk with the game, hence my concern about the tone of the example.

edited 27th Jun '17 3:47:55 PM by dragonfire5000

The setting of Shadowrun has combat sports such as "Combat Biker" and "Urban Brawl" where the use of lethal weapons such as guns is legal and fatalities are a common occurrence, yet the players of said sports usually aren't forced to participate, nor is killing the opponents strictly required by the rules, only allowed as an option (one that happens to be frequently resorted to out of brutal pragmatism). Does that disqualify them from being an example of Blood Sport and/or Deadly Game, considering that both are subtropes of Involuntary Battle to the Death? Or are they merely subversions on account that the "involuntary" part is done away with to show just how dystopian the setting is, if Joe/Jane Average thinks nothing of a sport in which death a perfectly acceptable fate a player could suffer?

edited 27th Jun '17 4:03:51 PM by MarqFJA

It's 100% an example of Story Branch Favoritism, but it is a bit complainy. I'd remove the "praise/chiding" part because both routes have someone praising or chiding you.

I'd say it's just an example and someone calling Deadly Game and especially Blood Sport a subtrope of Involuntary Battle to the Death was wrong. There's massive overlap, but it's not a subtrope.

I was suspecting that they were being misclassified as subtropes. I'll be sure to bring that up in the Setting Up Trope Relationships thread later for discussion.

edited 27th Jun '17 4:55:18 PM by MarqFJA

As someone who didn't really feel like there was any "favoritism," can you advise on how to rewrite the example? I'm not planning to take it off, but I do want to make it less complainy.

Regarding Badass Normal: Can a character be a Badass Normal if their badassery is defined by being able to use (and survive using) super-equipment that usually requires an actual super to use?

edited 27th Jun '17 10:41:14 PM by Ramidel

Spirited Young Lady:

• The Portrait of a Lady:
  • Isabel Archer is a young American woman who is beautiful and intelligent, and very well aware of that. She leaves America for Britain in company of her estranged aunt. Her ambition is to see the world and find find her own purpose in life. Isabel values her independence more than anything else and at times she seems to act independent just to prove that she can. After the death of her uncle Mr. Touchett, Isabel inherits a large sum of money. She feels that wealth has both given her more freedom, but also taken away the specific kind of independence she had when she was just a poor girl from a good family.
  • Henrietta Stackpole is Isabel's close friend who works as a journalist for the New York Interviewer, and she is quite serious about her job. She is good-humored and extremely opinionated. Some English characters are surprised by her bluntness (or even rudeness) with which she expresses herself. Isabel admires that Henrietta is completely independent of men.

I know it's call The Portrait Of A Lady so can someone tell me how they're lady-like? As is I'd like to remove them from the page.