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MagBas Mag Bas from In my house Since: Jun, 2009
#3576: Apr 10th 2017 at 11:19:35 AM

beyond the examples in 3566, i noted the following example in the Pokemon trivia page:

  • Adaptation Expansion
    • In the anime, battles can be even more nuanced than the mechanics of the game allow for. For example, in an episode of Pokémon XY, Ash's Pikachu uses his hearing to overcome being blinded by Inkay. Although the game has several in-battle impairments such as temporary paralysis, confusion, or poisoning, blindness is not one of those temporary impairments.
    • In the anime for Pokémon Sun and Moon, several other species can be used as Ride Pokémon besides the ones available in the games. Wailmer has been used in lieu of Lapras and Sharpedo for riding on the water, and Pelipper has been used in lieu of Charizard for flight.

Is this a correct example?

edited 10th Apr '17 11:20:32 AM by MagBas

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#3577: Apr 10th 2017 at 11:52:26 AM

Doesn't look like it. Adaptation Expansion is when story is added, not just when details are added. Additional arcs, episodes, events, and stuff like that. Not just minor changes in abilities.

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#3578: Apr 10th 2017 at 12:17:47 PM

The Pokémon anime isn't an adaptation, it's more it's own thing with massive massive differences from the games. Different characters, different rules, different plots etc.

Now Pokemon Adventures would be an adaptation.

edited 10th Apr '17 12:20:03 PM by Memers

FirstDrellSpectre Since: Sep, 2016
#3579: Apr 10th 2017 at 9:41:38 PM

Just to make sure my question isn't forgotten.

Can we consider "Never Live It Down" to the episode "No Such Luck" of show "The Loud House"? It was cruel and controversial that Lincoln's family kicked him out the house believing he's a jinx? Even parents accepted it and sold his furniture like they didn't expect him to ever return. In "Ties that Bind" the parents said they would never disown any of their children and yet they actually did this in "No Such Luck", what destroyed their image of good parents and painted them as abusive parents.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#3580: Apr 10th 2017 at 9:49:01 PM

Not sure that's Never Live It Down. Is it something that gets a lot of mention or reference after the fact? That's the main characteristic of the Trope, that a past act or error defines the character going forward.

FirstDrellSpectre Since: Sep, 2016
#3581: Apr 10th 2017 at 11:58:08 PM

In folders YMMV and Broken Base of the Loud House the episode "No such luck" is described as so disliked by fans that they put "fan discontinuity" to this episode and "untintenitionally unsympathetic" to Rita, Lynn Sr. and Lynn Jr. On Loud House wikia are over 700 comments about how viewers detest this episode. This is why I wondered if "Never Live It Down" would fit it.

Another question. Can we put trope "The Resenter" to Lincoln as in episode "Making the Case" he feels inferior to his sisters because unlike them he has no tophy? In the episodes "Sound of Silence" and "No Such Luck" he tried to distance himself from them by using headphones and agreeing with Lynn's suggestion that he's a jinx. He did both those things because they denied him his free time for himself.

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#3582: Apr 11th 2017 at 5:30:29 AM

Never Live It Down is something that needs to take a long time, and it's also a character trope. It's about a single event that fans take to define the entire character, even if it's insignificant on the whole of the actual canon.

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FirstDrellSpectre Since: Sep, 2016
#3583: Apr 11th 2017 at 9:33:55 AM

Another Duck, how long exacly? A year? Episode "No Such Luck" is detested and criticized by many fans for a month.

Now, how would you answer my question about "the resenter"?

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#3584: Apr 11th 2017 at 10:00:05 AM

Does Bat Out of Hell fit for Eyebats? A.k.a a flying eyeball with batwings? Or is it just Oculothorax?

How about Cave Mouth for: Fortune Summoners:

the yawning maw of the cave entrance, which seemed to consume any daylight which passed through its jaws.

... How is this thread different from Trope Finder, precisely? ... I guess it's supposed to be for examples that are actually on the site? ... Maybe put a notice thing at the top, like how the Copy-Paste Thread does it?

edited 11th Apr '17 10:05:23 AM by Malady

Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#3585: Apr 11th 2017 at 11:49:33 AM

[up][up]A month for an ongoing series doesn't feel long enough to "redefine the character". If Loud House is a weekly series, that means only three episodes have passed since (unless it was a finale?)

jameygamer Since: May, 2014
#3586: Apr 11th 2017 at 10:39:59 PM

Another question: I managed to spot a bumper sticker on Don Vizioso's hoverchair in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles that said "I brake for Connie Francis". Is that a Freeze-Frame Bonus?

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#3587: Apr 11th 2017 at 10:44:33 PM

How little time is it on screen? How easy is it to see without pausing?

If it's not on screen for long and hard to see, then yes.

jameygamer Since: May, 2014
#3588: Apr 11th 2017 at 11:17:43 PM

It's on screen for about a second.

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#3589: Apr 12th 2017 at 10:54:13 AM

Then it depends on if it's prominent or something less noticeable in the background.

Never Live It Down needs a long time. I'd say half a year at the least, but it depends a little on the example. Over a season is probably a good start. But as I said, it's a character trope. For creators, as this seems to be about them not living down the episode, it would need a fanbase who don't shut up about it, and define the creator after how they made the episode. However, that runs afoul of troping the creators themselves, which we generally don't do.

edited 12th Apr '17 10:58:35 AM by AnotherDuck

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FirstDrellSpectre Since: Sep, 2016
#3590: Apr 12th 2017 at 10:09:24 PM

In the episode "Changing the Baby" of cartoon "The Loud House" Lincoln was shown playing chess at park. He also taught his sister Lily how to play chess so good she defeated an old chess player. Can Lincoln be considered as "Chessmaster"?

In the episode "Lock'N Loud" of the same cartoon 16-year-old Leni was shown playing puzzles for kids. Can she be considered as "Kiddie Kid"?

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#3591: Apr 12th 2017 at 10:19:15 PM

For the first example, The Chessmaster is being taken too literally, as it means someone who's skilled at manipulating others like they're playing chess. The second one seems okay if not a perfect fit, but I don't know if that applies to Leni's character as a whole since that's just one scene of her playing with the kids.

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FirstDrellSpectre Since: Sep, 2016
#3592: Apr 12th 2017 at 10:48:37 PM

Thanks, Troper No 9001.

Now I have another questions. I think to Lynn Jr from same show can be added "Sore Loser" because in the episode "Bad Luck" she couldn't accept her lose in baseball and instead of blaming herself she blamed Lincoln for giving her bad luck. What do you think about it?

edited 12th Apr '17 11:00:07 PM by FirstDrellSpectre

TroperNo9001 Dragon in Waiting from the Dollhouse (Wise, aged troper) Relationship Status: I turn to stone when you are gone
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#3593: Apr 12th 2017 at 11:09:47 PM

Since I haven't watched all the episodes, I can't verify if Lynn Jr. can be characterized with that trope, but it still fits in that particular situation.

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FirstDrellSpectre Since: Sep, 2016
#3594: Apr 12th 2017 at 11:20:30 PM

Then I think to tropes of the episode "No Such Luck" can be added tropes "Sore Loser" and "Never My Fault". Do you agree?

TroperNo9001 Dragon in Waiting from the Dollhouse (Wise, aged troper) Relationship Status: I turn to stone when you are gone
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#3595: Apr 12th 2017 at 11:24:52 PM

I think so, even if I'm not willing to watch it just to be sure.

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#3596: Apr 13th 2017 at 11:38:55 AM

[up] You shouldn't have to watch it.

[up][up] You need to make sure you provide context to avoid a Zero Context Entry, and so that those of us who can't (or won't) watch the show can still judge whether your suggestion qualifies. The former reason is the more important one! ;)

If someone who is completely unfamiliar with the show can't tell whether such-and-such is an example, then you shouldn't add the example.

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#3597: Apr 13th 2017 at 11:48:45 AM

I'd rather say that if someone who is completely unfamiliar with the show can't tell whether such-and-such is an example, then you should add the necessary context so that anyone would understand why it's an example. If you can't add that context, then you shouldn't add the example.

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#3598: Apr 13th 2017 at 8:26:32 PM

Does this count as an example of Broken Base or Base-Breaking Character? (This is referring to Steven Universe, by the way)

  • "Room For Ruby", while usually regarded as a solid episode, does have a split in regards to Navy; some fans are disappointed that she didn't get a redemption arc, while others love that she was revealed to be incredibly clever and conniving.

edited 13th Apr '17 8:50:04 PM by Crossover-Enthusiast

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Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#3599: Apr 13th 2017 at 8:48:06 PM

Reposting again, so it doesn't get lost:

Are these examples from YMMV.Supergirl 2015 S 2 E 17 Distant Sun being used correctly?:

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#3600: Apr 13th 2017 at 8:52:10 PM

The Internet Backdraft example feels like it should be worded differently, while Special Effects Failure and They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot should be elaborated on more.

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