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TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#3551: Apr 5th 2017 at 5:49:39 AM

[up][up][up][up] I would say that Never My Fault is definitely applicable to It's a Loud, Loud, Loud, Loud House. Not so sure about No Such Luck, though.

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ReynTime250 Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#3552: Apr 5th 2017 at 9:29:16 AM

Does the paragraph break the No Lewdness No Prudishness rule? (This is for Cross Ange btw)

Ecchi: It's got very strong sexual themes, references (Including rape scenes and a reference to sexual intercourse), lots of breast and butt shots, loads of strong Yuri such as girls groping each other and two of the characters have sexual intercourse off-screen.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#3553: Apr 5th 2017 at 9:51:10 AM

Not if it's accurately describing what's in the work. Doesn't seem excessively drooly, although it could be borderline.

edited 5th Apr '17 9:51:26 AM by Fighteer

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FirstDrellSpectre Since: Sep, 2016
#3554: Apr 5th 2017 at 12:28:44 PM

[up][up]@Tye Dye Wildebeest I think "never my fault" fits "No such Luck" because Lynn blames Lincoln for making her lose her baseball match simply by being there. She accuses him of being a badluck. We all know Lynn lost because she wasn't good enough and is too immature to admit it, instead she blames Lincoln who really had absolutelly no influence on the game.

edited 5th Apr '17 12:29:12 PM by FirstDrellSpectre

jameygamer Since: May, 2014
#3555: Apr 5th 2017 at 9:23:00 PM

Uh, just want to make sure my questions didn't get lost in the shuffle? Should I repost them since we are on a new page?

dsneybuf (Not-So-Newbie)
#3556: Apr 6th 2017 at 10:53:23 AM

If no one did so already, could someone please specify which of the barefoot-related tropes on These Tropes Are Made for Walking apply to Iron Fist (2017)?

supergod Walking the Earth from the big city Since: Jun, 2012
Walking the Earth
#3557: Apr 6th 2017 at 12:09:40 PM

This Archer example was brought up on the last page (as Does Not Like Men), but there wasn't any actual discussion before it was moved under a different trope. I don't think the following is an example of He-Man Woman Hater either, and I definitely don't think there's any evidence that Sterling Archer is a misandrist (which wasn't mentioned in the earlier version) as the entry claims:

  • He-Man Woman Hater: Inverted with Sterling, who's a misandrist man. While he doesn't really get along with anyone, his relationships with his male coworkers are considerably worse than with his female ones. In general, if a man doesn't fit his (heavily Burt Reynolds-influenced) concept of masculinity, which none of the major male characters do, he will more than likely interact with them with a combination of schoolyard bullying and indifference. By contrast, Sterling genuinely cares about Lana, considers Pam to be his best friend, and is very tolerant and amused by Cheryl's insanity.

Getting along better with a few of his female co-workers isn't evidence that Archer hates an entire gender, and certainly not to the extent that it fits this trope. Even ignoring the male characters whom Archer does like and gets along with, there's no indication that Archer a misandrist, The example itself mentions his love of Burt Reynolds.

(I also googled "Sterling Archer" and "misandrist", and pretty much no one else has picked up on any of the supposed misandry on Archer's part. In fact, the only result linking Archer to misandry is this TV Tropes thread.)

edited 6th Apr '17 1:03:48 PM by supergod

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#3558: Apr 6th 2017 at 12:39:15 PM

Archer seems shoehorned in. A genuine misandrist would not default to indifference.

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Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#3559: Apr 6th 2017 at 1:11:29 PM

A genuine misandrist would also not find some men acceptable because they conform to his idea of what men should be.

supergod Walking the Earth from the big city Since: Jun, 2012
Walking the Earth
#3560: Apr 6th 2017 at 1:30:41 PM

Pretty much. There are several male celebrities whom he idolizes, for instance. Also, I'm not sure the line about him not liking men who don't conform to his idea of masculinity is even true.

Also, the only characters he bullies are Woodhouse (whom he is particularly cruel towards, though the reasons for it are a bit complicated) and Cyril (the resident Butt-Monkey, whom several of the other main characters also dislike). It has little, if anything, to do with them simply being men in either case

Should I delete the example?

edited 6th Apr '17 1:49:31 PM by supergod

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Serac she/her (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
she/her
#3561: Apr 6th 2017 at 1:50:56 PM

I think you should kill it.

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#3563: Apr 6th 2017 at 5:52:29 PM

Being a misogynist isn't only what the trope is about, though, so the inversion wouldn't require a "genuine misandrist". There are a few examples of characters who just reject the idea of romance with the gender. Are all of those also shoehorned?

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Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#3564: Apr 6th 2017 at 6:12:48 PM

No it's not just about being averse to romance. "That is, dislike of traits associated with men or of a particular man or men in her life manifest into a dislike of men as a whole. " So, yes, a chharacter who isn't interested in romance is a shoehorn, if she doesn't ''dislike men as a whole" (as in if she has any male friends at all.)

edited 6th Apr '17 6:14:14 PM by Madrugada

dsneybuf (Not-So-Newbie)
#3565: Apr 6th 2017 at 6:26:32 PM

I posed that Iron Fist question in at least three places, and no one ever gave a relevant answer. Does that mean the show doesn't fall under any of those tropes (except for Feet-First Introduction, already listed on the series' own page), or that I still ask it in the wrong places?

MagBas Mag Bas from In my house Since: Jun, 2009
#3566: Apr 7th 2017 at 3:49:49 AM

the following Greater-Scope Villain examples:

  • Played with, but ultimately subverted in the first game with Terra-Xehanort's heartless, simply known as Ansem, seeker of darkness. He doesn't get directly involved in the plot until the end of the game, but he IS the one pulling the strings of Maleficent(Who, until then, was the closest thing the game had to a big bad), her allies, Riku and the Heartless.

  • Played with, but ultimately subverted in Sun/Moon. Lusamine serves as this to Guzma in the first half of the game, because while she doesn't get involved in Team Skull's antics, she IS their secret financial backer. Later on, she gets involved personnaly and takes Team Skull's place as the true big bad of the game. It's also clearly shown that even before Nihilego changed her with his toxins, she was still quite evil. Even Guzma is afraid of her, as shown by his dialogue text in the ultra realm.

  • Played With, but ultimately subverted in "Kirby: Planet Robobot". The main antagonist is President Haltmann. However, the final boss, Star Dream, despite not being involved with the plot until the very end, is indirectly responsible for the events of the game, because Haltmann did everything he did in Star Dream's name.

Are they true examples? And the "played with, but ultimately subverted" part?

edited 7th Apr '17 3:53:04 AM by MagBas

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#3567: Apr 7th 2017 at 7:56:50 AM

There can only be one type of trope play at the same time for any example. If the trope isn't being displayed in a consistent fashion, then it's a Zig-Zagged Trope.

135 -> 180 -> 273 -> 191 -> 188 -> 230 -> 300 -> 311
Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#3568: Apr 7th 2017 at 8:44:52 AM

[up]x2 First one is a clear case of The Man Behind the Man, not GSV. If the supposed GSV is actively manipulating people and causing the plot they aren't a GSV.

Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#3569: Apr 7th 2017 at 9:25:22 AM

@dsneybuf If I could answer I would, but I haven't seen Iron Fist, so I can't make any suggestions. You're asking in the right place, though.

Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#3570: Apr 7th 2017 at 1:18:08 PM

Reposting from a couple of pages ago, so it doesn't get lost:

Are these examples from YMMV.Supergirl 2015 S 2 E 17 Distant Sun being used correctly?:

Gosicrystal Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
#3571: Apr 7th 2017 at 5:20:35 PM

Is this Easter Egg? It's part of the The Dev Team Thinks of Everything purge.

  • VideoGame.Tales From The Borderlands: If you press a button to skip the credits that roll after the end of an episode, a message in the corner of the screen will say "Telltale Games will remember that".

Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
Gosicrystal Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
#3573: Apr 7th 2017 at 5:22:57 PM

No, because the game was done by Telltale Games. Their games tend to tell the player "This character will remember that" when the player makes a decision.

edited 7th Apr '17 5:24:04 PM by Gosicrystal

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#3574: Apr 7th 2017 at 6:18:00 PM

It's a type of In-Joke. Maybe Self-Deprecation, but I'm not sure there's enough context for any actual depreciation or mocking.

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FirstDrellSpectre Since: Sep, 2016
#3575: Apr 9th 2017 at 9:02:13 PM

Can we consider "Never Live It Down" to the episode "No Such Luck" of show "The Loud House"? It was cruel and controversial that Lincoln's family kicked him out the house believing he's a jinx? Even parents accepted it and sold his furniture like they didn't expect him to ever return. In "Ties that Bind" the parents said they would never disown any of their children and yet they actually did this in "No Such Luck", what destroyed their image of good parents and painted them as abusive parents.

edited 9th Apr '17 9:38:38 PM by FirstDrellSpectre


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