Wasn't it to "Protect Her"?
Other M is a plain bad game and should not be used in discusions ever.
It needs to be Discontinuity for everyone.
You want to pull an Orwellian Retcon on reality, Soviet style?
... Actually I'm on board this time.
You are not alone.
She punched him for ditching her. I included it because I can't imagine a non-action guy doing the same thing to an Action Girl without him being a villain. That's the way these things tend to work in fiction.
From what I know of Other M, there was this wing of the ship filled with cold-proof Metroids, and he knocked Samus out and went into that part of the ship to pull some failsafe to space and self-destruct that part of the ship, to get rid of the Metroids. It's played up as him stealing the suicide mission, because Samus is more important, basically.
There was some number of reasons why it wasn't a good scene, but I can't remember it off-hand.
edited 29th Nov '12 1:43:38 PM by Enlong
I have a message from another time...Fixed.
Which isn't to say Johnny deserved all that abuse, but he has been following her around like a creep since Shadow Moses.
Nine years of following this one female prisoner he thought was kinda hot and had no emotional connection to. Neither of them deserve a happy ending(especially not MGS 4 Meryl, ugh), but he's a total Bishie and she's a main character so it's okay in the end for some reason.
TBF, Meryl's misandry is treated as mostly unwarranted from the start(Snake gives the Colonel some backtalk about getting her angry at one point, but then the Colonel is shown to be totally right later on and the whole "knocked up my brother's wife" thing is just kinda shoved under the rug). The game pretty much goes out of its way to portray her as overly emotional and, frankly, kind of a bitch. Too bad nobody ever calls her out on it directly and she pretty much gets away with everything scott-free.
Combine that with Johnny's status as a running gag slapstick character throughout the entire series and...
I can't think of any inverse examples in games and I doubt many would go through with them without having an entire subplot where the dude learns the errors of his wimmen hatin' ways after literally everyone comments on how uncool it is.
So yeah, that's a problem.
Oh man.
Why would you remind me of this?
They give a reason, but that reason makes it more offensive when considering the context of the entire rest of the game. It's also dumb because he could have gotten her killed(there was a metroid in the area and Adam wasn't even sure his weaponry would be able to take it out, yet he decided to shoot Samus first anyway).
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Occasionally a guy can get away with a slap, but that's the most you'll get outside of that one anime in the Tropes vs Women thread.
edited 29th Nov '12 1:43:48 PM by JotunofBoredom
Umbran Climax◊Why would you remind me of this?
edited 29th Nov '12 2:00:19 PM by Scardoll
Fight. Struggle. Endure. Suffer. LIVE.WILL NOT SNARK
Men suffering abuse in video-games is nothing new. But it's not a problem exclusively limited to videogames, and is prevalent in comedy, genre work, ect. ect. What is it about video games that makes this issue particularly pressing?
This post has been powered by avenging fury and a balanced diet.-vomits-
edited 29th Nov '12 2:06:26 PM by StrawberrytheSecond
This is a robbery. Give me all of your money and I'll kill you.I personally am discussing this here partly as a reaction to annother thread (most of you know which one) and I'm more invested in video games than other forms of media.
Male characters suffering physical abuse? How about the abuse of fans who put up with male characters? Why do they keep forcing guys like Raiden on the audience?
Maybe being a wimpy, stumbling know nothing dork who cannot even succeed thanks to Metal Gears constant overarching overcomplicated gambits would be forgivable but he was a generic clean shaven pretty boy to boot. You'd think you would be able to escape that mold in a game about jaded war veterans.
"Oh Cider, he gets better in four, he's badass." If by badass you mean he gets turned into a kill machine capable of taking out tanks, not through any hard work or anything, it is all given too him, and then spends the rest of his time whining. If Raiden was a woman would anyone be calling him badass for whining about his metamorphosis while his supposed friend, a real veteran with any number of worse issues, degenerates into a geezer and dies? For that, would anyone have accepted a female character like Samus being turned into a coughing old woman with daddy issues like Snake? Snake, being reduced to a shell of his former self and given a pathetic sendoff because he committed the sin of being better liked than his replacement?
Modified Ura-nage, Torture Rack@topic: ...Yeah, I'm sick of discussions like this before they even began, so I won't even participate. Not to mention that this is one of the last places where I'd do that.
edited 30th Nov '12 12:33:18 AM by Nyarly
People aren't as awful as the internet makes them out to be.![]()
Considering there's already a thread in this forum about the portrayal of women in games, and that the gender discussion in general is overwhelmingly dominated by feminism, I don't see the harm in having a thread to address the portrayal of men as well. Or are we not allowed to talk about men's issues at all?
edited 30th Nov '12 2:08:36 AM by Talby
The odd thing is that for all the non-Anita Sarkeesian conversations in the topic about women in games, the talk of misandry as well as misogyny was the only thing considered a derail and threatened with moderator action. So this topic wouldn't need to exist if only the other thread was open to conversation about sexism towards both genders in video games. In fact, after Besser suggested this topic, the idea was supported by one of the feminist posters over there (King Zeal, I believe).
So Vox's post above is a supreme case of Did Not Do The Research, promoting Double Standards and, to top it off, that Strawman comic could be used to describe women's issues in the other topic, since reporting posts about misandry was encouraged.
edited 30th Nov '12 3:15:22 AM by Guest1001
Surely there are better ways to approach people than naming them members of "Hate Dumbs", no? If you want to encourage fruitful discussion I implore you (and everyone else) to consider tone when posting.
Surely the end-point of these threads is to reduce strife? I'm uncertain as to how fighting and rage can help anyone.
This post has been powered by avenging fury and a balanced diet.Alright, I'll delete the Hate Dumb part but it's not like posting a Flame Bait comic and nothing else is ever going to be open to fruitful discussion, is it?
edited 30th Nov '12 3:16:36 AM by Guest1001

In fact, I'm willing to bet that plenty of people out-of-universe didn't have a problem with it either, seeing it as just good old comic relief.
edited 29th Nov '12 1:23:05 PM by Guest1001