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Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#301: Dec 29th 2012 at 4:37:51 PM

No, if it's completely unbeatable

Which I would like to point out has been disproven already.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
AnnoR "Of course, Satsuki-sama." from Honnouji Academy Since: Sep, 2010
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#302: Dec 29th 2012 at 4:39:05 PM

[up][up]Um... it's... kind of hard to measure, really... like I said, it's only in one scene... um...

... Car-sized, I guess? That's the closest approximation I can come up with...

"Oh, dear. The toad, the monkey, and the dog have all screwed up."
goodisgood BWAH-HA-HA! from from a high horse Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
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#303: Dec 29th 2012 at 4:42:34 PM

Alright, car sized. What about speed, how fast can it move in comparison to, say, Joe Shmoe?

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FirockFinion THE SLORG! from The Red Desert Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#304: Dec 29th 2012 at 4:42:55 PM

@Deadbeat: Yes, I already know and accepted that. You basically asked me why I think it shouldn't be allowed as it originally was described, (Or at least, how I interpreted it.) so I answered.

edited 29th Dec '12 4:44:47 PM by FirockFinion

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AnnoR "Of course, Satsuki-sama." from Honnouji Academy Since: Sep, 2010
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#305: Dec 29th 2012 at 4:45:00 PM

[up][up]Um... I honestly don't know how fast it is, it's only seen briefly after it grabs its target, and its target had no idea what was happening and was standing still.

It never actually completely leaves the briefcase.

edited 29th Dec '12 4:51:52 PM by AnnoR

"Oh, dear. The toad, the monkey, and the dog have all screwed up."
goodisgood BWAH-HA-HA! from from a high horse Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
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#306: Dec 29th 2012 at 4:51:14 PM

The general ambiguity of the abilitie's potence seems to be the problem, which is why I'm trying to help out. That's all. If it's accepted, fine, perhaps just some perameters to prevent nastiness in the future.

So we know it's car sized, and can be fought off by people with strength that's modestly above average. The speed might be the most important part here. What's a speed we could all agree on?

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Psyga315 Since: Jan, 2001
#307: Dec 29th 2012 at 4:54:31 PM

If it's as big as a car, would it make sense for it to be as fast as one too?

FirockFinion THE SLORG! from The Red Desert Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#308: Dec 29th 2012 at 4:59:09 PM

Perhaps it would be best if those of us who don't care about potentially spoiling the show could see this one scene in question?

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Psyga315 Since: Jan, 2001
#309: Dec 29th 2012 at 5:00:00 PM

[up] Provided that a clip is available. Copyright has been a devilish troll as of late.

goodisgood BWAH-HA-HA! from from a high horse Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
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#310: Dec 29th 2012 at 5:00:40 PM

[up][up][up] That could be any range of speeds, honestly

[up][up]That makes sense.

[up]Damn. Negotiating time!

edited 29th Dec '12 5:01:38 PM by goodisgood

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AnnoR "Of course, Satsuki-sama." from Honnouji Academy Since: Sep, 2010
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#311: Dec 29th 2012 at 5:04:34 PM

Um... there doesn't seem to be a clip on youtube... unless someone else wants to watch the entire Paradox Spiral movie(which... it's fantastic, as well as the rest of Kara No Kyoukai)...

From what I can remember, it doesn't even show it lunging out, it just shows it after it grabs its target...

"Oh, dear. The toad, the monkey, and the dog have all screwed up."
goodisgood BWAH-HA-HA! from from a high horse Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
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#312: Dec 29th 2012 at 5:07:44 PM

You mentioned that its target didn't know that it was being attacked by it until it was too late. How fast do you think the creature would have had to been to catch the person off guard?

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AnnoR "Of course, Satsuki-sama." from Honnouji Academy Since: Sep, 2010
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#313: Dec 29th 2012 at 5:08:56 PM

Um...

The person was kind of having a breakdown at the time, so I can't really be sure...

If you want me to be more specific, I'll start having to spoiler-tag things...

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goodisgood BWAH-HA-HA! from from a high horse Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
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#314: Dec 29th 2012 at 5:10:57 PM

I think that'd be best, but that's just me.

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AnnoR "Of course, Satsuki-sama." from Honnouji Academy Since: Sep, 2010
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#315: Dec 29th 2012 at 5:29:25 PM

... This is just going on too long for something I'm not even going to use. >.<

I'll just edit the Sealed Box out.

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Flanker66 Dreams of Revenge from 30,000 feet and climbing Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
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#316: Dec 30th 2012 at 4:41:12 AM

Accepted.

I'm not sure whether or not you'd remain on the waiting list or be accepted into the game... I'll need to figure it out with GG and GS.

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AnnoR "Of course, Satsuki-sama." from Honnouji Academy Since: Sep, 2010
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#317: Dec 30th 2012 at 7:29:04 PM

Oh, um... hope I can just join in, eh-heh.

"Oh, dear. The toad, the monkey, and the dog have all screwed up."
TheBigBean Wizard of science. from underground. Since: Dec, 2012
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#318: Dec 30th 2012 at 8:53:40 PM

  • Name: The Medic
  • Age: Nobody knows.
  • Species: Human.
  • Gender: Male
  • Appearance: "Let's go practice medicine."
  • ‘Verse: Team Fortress 2
  • Personality: The Medic is a mad, mad, mad, mad man. Raised during an era when the Hippocratic oath had been downgraded to an optional Hippocratic suggestion, the Medic took up the art of medicine because it allowed him to be more like himself: a curious man, who lacks compassion for the sick, respect for human dignity, and who often enjoys to cut and hack things just to see how they work. It can't be said he "cares" for his teammates, but he does take care of them, and he did form some sort of friendly relationship with some of the more logical members of his group, so you can at least say there's something good about this man. Then again, maybe it was because they were the ones taking care of his doves...
  • Powers/Equipment:
    • Syringe Gun: Shooting large amounts of syringes faster than you can say "Oh God oh God oh God I hate syringes I hate them I hate them I hate them".
    • Medigun: For all those bruises, hits, missing limbs, missing organs, missing brains, missing that little yellow thing on top of your liver: it can cure practically anything. As the Medic uses it, it builds up this huge amount of energy: when it hits one hundred percent, it can be released by the Medic to give him and his target precious few seconds of invulnerability.
    • Bonesaw: He'll use it to saw through your bones. And also to cut the turkey for dinner- but mostly for sawing through your bones.
  • Background: Nothing is known about the Medic, except that he comes from Stuttgart, Germany and that he lost his medical license a few years after the patient woke up missing his entire skeleton. He was hired by RED to take part in an amazing war over gravel pits and things he does not care about, for most believe the only reason he took the job was so that he could experiment and meddle with the human body in order to, in his words, practice medicine.
  • Extra Notes: Think the Medic should get new weapons as time goes by, although he'll only be able to hold one primary, one secondary, and one melee, having to go somewhere to change his weapons.

edited 30th Dec '12 9:19:56 PM by TheBigBean

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#319: Dec 30th 2012 at 8:56:18 PM

Semi-irrelevant:

I like how you explained everything.

"Seven is here too, dressed like the concept of choosing clothes that look nice together was an arcane secret far beyond their grasp."
FirockFinion THE SLORG! from The Red Desert Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#320: Dec 30th 2012 at 8:59:10 PM

Based on Meet The Medic, the medigun works to heal anyone, but not to uber anyone; the uber specifically only working on people who've had a special procedure for their heart.

It's up to the GMs if they want to enforce that, but I'm just throwing it out there.

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Stratofarius huzzaaaaaaaah Since: Aug, 2011
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#321: Dec 30th 2012 at 9:01:45 PM

[up] That was a very rustic medigun- the Quick Fix. It's specifically designed to be a rustic version of the medigun, like the Medic was messing with the idea. I think he upgraded it so everyone doesn't need to change their heart in case something happens like them being killed in a horrible way.

Like they do everyday.

Plus the Quick-Fix's ubercharge isn't an ubercharge: it just ups the healing factor and removes movement-impairing effects.

edited 30th Dec '12 9:02:44 PM by Stratofarius

FirockFinion THE SLORG! from The Red Desert Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#322: Dec 30th 2012 at 9:11:50 PM

@Strato: The implications I heard is that the medigun he uses in the video is a prototype medigun that happens to look like the quick fix; the idea being that the video is of the very first ubercharge he ever did.

The fact that it actually ubers Heavy rather than not uber him like the quick fix in-game would support this theory.

At the end of the video you can see that the whole team is going to have the procedure done on them. The idea that he upgraded sometime later so they don't need the procedure seems just as valid to me that it still requires it. After all, at no other point in all the videos or comics that I know of is this addressed.

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Stratofarius huzzaaaaaaaah Since: Aug, 2011
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#323: Dec 30th 2012 at 9:20:03 PM

[up]

Despite the Quick-Fix being incapable of providing invulnerability in-game, the Medic is able to use it to make the Heavy invulnerable via an ÜberCharge. The fourth day of the Über Update explains that the Quick-Fix's first ÜberCharge, seen in the video, permanently shorted out the invulnerability feature of the gun.

It's the Quick Fix, and it is using the uber feature. For him to have ubered anyone else, he'd have to have improved the gun or sent everyone through surgery. Although everyone always gets blown up and killed in horrible ways, and respawn has yet to be explained by the comics, so the theory that the upgrade was in the weapon and not in the hearts can also be used.

This happens because the characters never actually die in the comics or the movies, and when they do, it's only BLU characters. Of course, it's for the sake of storytelling, but it ignores the respawn factor, which, again, is never explained. So to say that everyone went through surgery works in the comic context, but not in the game context, which is where this Medic seems to come from, considering he has the stock weapons and not the Quick Fix + Overdose, which were the first weapons the Medic used, as can be seen when he exits the operation room in Meet the Medic.

TheBigBean Wizard of science. from underground. Since: Dec, 2012
Wizard of science.
#324: Dec 30th 2012 at 9:23:30 PM

Just putting my two cents here (which is weird since, heh, this is my character), but the comics and the more detailed videos came later, and apart from one or two (the Halloween/Mann vs Machine videos/comics), you can play the game and understand every single part of it without having read the comics or watched the videos.

So if I had to say, this would be stock game Medic, without all the complications from the comics/videos (no offense, I like the comics/videos, but not a lot of them prominently feature the Medic- except for Meet the Medic, of course)

FirockFinion THE SLORG! from The Red Desert Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#325: Dec 30th 2012 at 9:26:34 PM

For him to have ubered anyone else, he'd have to have improved the gun or sent everyone through surgery.

Which is exactly what's happening at the end of Meet The Medic, when you see the rest of the team in the waiting area and Scout emerging with Achilles stuck in him.

game context [which] is where this Medic seems to come from, considering he has the stock weapons and not the Quick Fix + Overdose, which were the first weapons the Medic used, as can be seen when he exits the operation room in Meet the Medic.

... Or it just means he's from a later point in time than directly after Meet The Medic. Isn't it up to Bean whether this Medic is from the games or from the comics/meet the class videos?

EDIT: Well that ninja'ing makes me look like an ass. )=/

edited 30th Dec '12 9:28:41 PM by FirockFinion

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