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ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#651: Oct 16th 2013 at 1:46:23 PM

Really the only advantages I've heard of tablet-style computing is from writers and artists whose work involves a single screen that you have to be entirely dedicated to for long periods of time without being distracted. A lot of applications with writers in mind have a full-screen mode but I've never really heard of anybody actually using them.

But a full-screen music application? That's really stupid. Out of all things, music I'd think would be the most likely one to be running in the background.

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#652: Oct 16th 2013 at 9:55:15 PM

[up][up]Uh, I was actually trying to address to the dude above you. Sorry.

AFP Since: Mar, 2010
#653: Oct 16th 2013 at 10:43:36 PM

I like my tablet, but I don't like trying to write on it. The screen's all wrong for it, feels too draggy with a stylus to be able to draw or write freely. I just use an on-screen keyboard to take notes.

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#654: Oct 17th 2013 at 5:09:39 AM

[up][up] Oh. But anyway I can at least run OMK, Half Life 2 and Sonic Adventure 2 on my Win 8 lappy pretty well but I see why people aren't fond of it.

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LonelyLion from A Baoa Qu Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Singularity
#655: Oct 18th 2013 at 11:08:06 AM

So... I just had to upgrade to this thing since my old motherboard died. Is there any way to make it look like older Windows used to start button and what not without downloading some shell altering program. I haven't had much time to look since I'm still trying to transfer files and programs.

TairaMai rollin' on dubs from El Paso Tx Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Mu
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#656: Oct 18th 2013 at 11:52:30 AM

[up]Nope because Balmer hates you and Microsoft went all in on Metro/Windows 8. If you upgrade to 8.1, you still go to the cutesy-poo tiles if you click on the "start button".

edited 18th Oct '13 11:53:27 AM by TairaMai

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Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#657: Oct 18th 2013 at 1:40:11 PM

[up]And 8.1 hid the option to "create an entirely local Windows account" behind the "create a new Windows Live ID" one. And every single file association that has a both a Desktop program and a Metro one defaults to the latter.

edited 18th Oct '13 1:40:54 PM by Medinoc

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LonelyLion from A Baoa Qu Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Singularity
#658: Oct 18th 2013 at 2:50:37 PM

At least I can boot directly to the desktop instead of that weird app menu in 8.1. I'll update once I finish installing my programs and removing these apps. Does 8.1 change the "charm bar" or whatever it's called?

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#659: Oct 18th 2013 at 2:58:56 PM

I'll put my two cents in on the tablet thing. I have one. It's a Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1. I mostly use it as an e-reader and to occasionally take notes in class because it's easier than lugging my laptop across the city. But for pretty much anything else, even surfing the Internet? My laptop is vastly better.

It's even really annoying to work on my book on it.

It's good for quick notes, keeping a document ready for when you need to access it and to read books with. Not much else. Why not? It's awkward and clunky. The touchscreen interface is fun for about 5 minutes and then it's just annoying.

I've even tried the tablet version of Windows 8. Bafflingly, it feels like it's supposed to use a mouse because it isn't very accurate with touch detection.

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#662: Oct 18th 2013 at 8:19:30 PM

As I said I only use the desktop mode. Also for music I use iTunes. I hate using Xbox music as well as the picture viewer.

LoniJay from Australia Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
#663: Oct 18th 2013 at 8:29:11 PM

[up]The Xbox music thing confused the hell out of me. I don't have an Xbox, I've never wanted an Xbox, and as far as I know Xboxes are for playing video games on. Why do I get sent to a confusing 'Xbox program' when I want to play music? What's wrong with Windows Media Player?

I'm also mildly annoyed by the way the super-pretty slick start screen with the coloured squares and icons will only look that nice if you use their approved programs... once I swapped them out for the programs I actually wanted to use it doesn't look as appealing, and I can't make the tiles bigger or smaller.

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#664: Oct 18th 2013 at 11:17:12 PM

Microsoft: destroying that which made PCs PCs in the first place. <_< What happened to "install and use what you want, how you want it onto your own rig when you want to: on your own head be it, but at least the OS will vaguely cope unless a program is screwy and jumps up and down on the drivers"? -_-

edited 18th Oct '13 11:20:04 PM by Euodiachloris

midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#665: Oct 22nd 2013 at 7:18:54 AM

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Apple making a fuckton of money off the concept of a walled garden happened.

TairaMai rollin' on dubs from El Paso Tx Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Mu
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#666: Oct 22nd 2013 at 9:00:40 AM

Because the have in image of "it just works". The cute-sy playskool(TM) icons appealed to the "I don't know about computers/computers scare me" crowd. Tablets and phones aren't though of as computers.

House Redmond made a huge misstep with the Were Still Relevant Dammit Metro design of Windows 8. Most Windows users aren't hipsters, seniors, children or people scared by computers. We know what we want and don't like it hidden.

Plus the walled garden only made sense with tablets and phones. A computer is large enough and fast enough to download real programs. That was mistake #3.

The biggest mistake was the marketing. Xbox One showed that Microsoft saw customers as a "resource" like hat-makers saw the Passenger Pigeon. Windows 8 is at the core of the Xbox One, the handwriting was on the wall.

All Apple and Google has to do was stand there while Microsoft shived itself in the stomach.

edited 22nd Oct '13 9:01:08 AM by TairaMai

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midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#667: Oct 22nd 2013 at 1:14:46 PM

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well, as the earlier cracked article referenced said, the problem is win 8 is designed for people who use computers a certain way and who dont comprehend that not everyone uses computers for those purposes.

this is also why the original leak of the xbox design in stupid tweets was such a failure. the designer who made those infamous comments lived in a city, where free wifi and internet everywhere is normal. He had no frame of reference to understand that isnt always how it is.

edited 22nd Oct '13 1:20:19 PM by midgetsnowman

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#668: Oct 23rd 2013 at 2:46:38 AM

Still, by this argument it sounds like Windows 8 designers didn't even own a desktop PC anymore. People with desktops, especially with 16:9 HD monitors like Microsoft employees can afford, would have immediately vetoed the "one app on the screen" shtick.

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#669: Oct 23rd 2013 at 6:02:24 AM

Then apparently everyone at Microsoft uses laptops only.

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TairaMai rollin' on dubs from El Paso Tx Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Mu
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#670: Oct 23rd 2013 at 10:35:04 AM

Apple Just Ended the Era of Paid Operating Systems

Amid a slew of incremental improvements to its iPad tablets and Mac Book laptops, Apple today announced some landmark news about its oldest surviving operating system: It will not charge for the latest big upgrade, Mac OS X 10.9 Mavericks, breaking from a tradition that goes back 16 years and shining a light on a long-unfolding reversal in how tech profits are made.

This is big. This could make Macs affordable to government and industry (buyers in bulk). This is like when Sony allowed used games and was $100(US) under the Xbox One.

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imadinosaur Since: Oct, 2011
#671: Oct 23rd 2013 at 10:39:19 AM

Eh, there have been free (in both senses of the word) operating systems around for decades. Unless they're also changing the EULA to allow it on non-Apple hardware, I don't see how this is a big deal at all.

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Imca (Veteran)
#672: Oct 23rd 2013 at 10:45:05 AM

Its.... Not really that big, the new operating system was 20usd... that was already 1/15th the price of a windows upgrade.

If it did not make a diffrence at that low of a comparision, it wont make one now, the up front hardware cost of a mac is just too large for the cheaper updates to be worth it.

TairaMai rollin' on dubs from El Paso Tx Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Mu
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#673: Oct 23rd 2013 at 10:45:12 AM

The big thing is that the licensing costs are a drag on computer use. Linux took off because of its robustness and it's cheap for colleges and many government applications.

With a Mac, the initial high cost coupled with paying >$100.00 US for an upgrade was a big deal breaker for those computer shopping. It's a deal killer if you're a business or local government agency looking for office computers.

This kicks Microsoft in the userbase because they are charging for Windows and to upgrade to Windows 8.1 from Vista.

Windows and the Mac OS were "free" only when you bought a computer. Both used to charge for the new OS. Now the Mac has a genuine price advantage over a windows machine.

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Imca (Veteran)
#674: Oct 23rd 2013 at 10:46:30 AM

No, I use OSX on a hackintosh.

It cost 20usd to update, it was NOTHING like going to new windows versions, it cost pocket change.

Hence why I think apple refuses to let it be used on non apple hardware, the hardware is where there skinning the consumer.

ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#675: Oct 23rd 2013 at 11:21:58 AM

If they do this will they start going after hackintosh users?


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