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HinanawiTenshi Final Boss from Heaven, Above Gensokyo Since: Jul, 2010
#101: Oct 13th 2012 at 8:56:29 PM

I honestly don't think the writing being lazy in this case matters...

I mean, was that minor character woman even given a name? Is there a reason to put more effort into it?

Being at the Heavens, control the land. Being at the Earth, remove its keystones. And lay bare the scarlet hearts of man!
fillerdude from Inside Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#102: Oct 13th 2012 at 9:04:58 PM

[up][up][up] Exactly what I was getting at. Rape is cheap shock material, but murder isn't?

Savoie Since: Mar, 2010
#103: Oct 13th 2012 at 9:06:28 PM

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I'm aware that it's all YMMV, but I feel like that makes it worse. If they go this route, I'd rather they stick with it for two or three episodes to give the situation some depth, rather than just saying "rape traumatizes people!" and doing so in such an in-your-face manner. They could gave gotten the same result with more 'art' by just leaving what happened to be implied but ambiguous. After all, that's all that Akane saw and she was the viewpoint character; why lot allow the viewer to make judgments through her eyes?

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There's a case to be made that society has trivialized murder to the point that what should be alarming becomes mundane, but the fact of the matter is that Rape Is a Special Kind of Evil and will always be treated as such. It has also become shorthand for painting a character as utterly despicable without silly little things like nuance and development, which is just lazy.

edited 13th Oct '12 9:10:49 PM by Savoie

fillerdude from Inside Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#104: Oct 13th 2012 at 9:21:04 PM

[up] And that peeves me.

In any case, someone breaking down like that isn't entirely improbable (not to mention that we knew basically nothing about the criminal in question aside from some soul data; for all we know he's been cracking lately), and like you I hope the show get classier, but I thought what we got was fine. Only when they continue with this way of doing things will I actually get annoyed.

HinanawiTenshi Final Boss from Heaven, Above Gensokyo Since: Jul, 2010
#105: Oct 13th 2012 at 9:30:26 PM

It has also become shorthand for painting a character as utterly despicable without silly little things like nuance and development, which is just lazy.

It's also for a very minor character though. Who dies in the very same episode.

I mean, I could see it being bothersome if they were lazy enough to do that to a major, recurring character, especially if that character had lots of screentime, but if it's just the villain of the week or something then the obvious, in-your-face kind of thing is the best because they're only going to use it to display a point rather than actually care about who they're writing anyway.

Being at the Heavens, control the land. Being at the Earth, remove its keystones. And lay bare the scarlet hearts of man!
Savoie Since: Mar, 2010
#106: Oct 13th 2012 at 9:40:28 PM

A throw-away rape victim is even cheaper because it requires no investment.

HinanawiTenshi Final Boss from Heaven, Above Gensokyo Since: Jul, 2010
#107: Oct 13th 2012 at 9:42:24 PM

But why is that cheapness bad when they are going for something disposable?

Being at the Heavens, control the land. Being at the Earth, remove its keystones. And lay bare the scarlet hearts of man!
DarthBlitzer from Glorious Ohiostan Since: Mar, 2011
#108: Oct 13th 2012 at 9:44:40 PM

The way i see it...

Rape is just being used to show how the justice system in this verse doesn't care about actual crime, and is merely taking action against people who seem to have passed some quantified level of psychological disturbance (of which rape is a good crime to use, as typically the victim is left psychologically damaged after the crime)

Showing an instance where there is a crime, and the system takes action against both the perpetrator and the victim, is a good way to illustrate that. We're not actually emotionally supposed to give a darn about either of these characters, we're just being introduced to the premise of the show

Gilphon Since: Oct, 2009
#109: Oct 13th 2012 at 9:44:51 PM

I don't really see it as being used to paint the guy as anything but crazy. And little desperate. He was saying 'I'm going to be arrested no matter what I do, so why shouldn't I go completely wild?', and therefore it's exposing another flaw in the system, and commenting on why it's a bad idea to go after people for crimes they haven't committed yet.

[up]Yeah, that stuff as well. The rape is being used as much more of a plot point than a drama point.

edited 13th Oct '12 9:45:49 PM by Gilphon

teslashark Repetitive Forum Waster from Here Since: Aug, 2010
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#110: Oct 14th 2012 at 7:12:55 AM

I believe Mohiro Kitou is te one who designed the system. he believes Humans Are Bastards and he want utopia. Otherwise, the world won't be that cynical.

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Savoie Since: Mar, 2010
#111: Oct 14th 2012 at 12:35:06 PM

No dead kids yet, so Kitoh probably wasn't involved.

LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#112: Oct 14th 2012 at 2:21:20 PM

Seriously, what happened to Kitoh that made him such a depressed and nihilistic writer. All of his works all just so depressing and cynical. For me, he is one of the few that seems to be aiming for Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy.

Savoie Since: Mar, 2010
#113: Oct 14th 2012 at 4:23:43 PM

His works do tend to have a unique flavor that I find quite delectable, but it's certainly an acquired taste.

And then there's Noririn.

LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#114: Oct 15th 2012 at 1:13:29 PM

Heh heh heh. [lol]

edited 15th Oct '12 1:13:37 PM by LDragon2

fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#115: Oct 15th 2012 at 1:36:21 PM

[up] I Think I saw that on 4ch at least once.[lol]

moonmeh Taoist flying powers Since: Apr, 2010
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#116: Oct 15th 2012 at 4:34:57 PM

[up][up] Heh, that's so going to be true.

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Bur Chaotic Neutral from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Not war
#117: Oct 15th 2012 at 6:33:13 PM

[up]x3 Poor girl, having the ill luck to be written by the Butcher.

edited 15th Oct '12 6:33:52 PM by Bur

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Silentedge89 Optimistic Cynic Since: Apr, 2012
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LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#119: Oct 15th 2012 at 10:28:53 PM

I love how in the picture, Sayaka looks annoyed while Saber has a sympathetic look.

asellus111 Dragon meido Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Dragon meido
#120: Oct 15th 2012 at 10:31:40 PM

Oh, a new work from Urobuchi, count me in.

GoukaRyuu Since: Aug, 2012
#121: Oct 17th 2012 at 9:01:58 PM

Finally watched the first episode and I have to agree that they were really strong on the system being flawed. I would have loved it better if they had used this as the episode 3 of Madoka equivlent to show exactly how messed up everything is after we see nothing but good things and praise to/for the system. Would have been so much better.

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#122: Oct 17th 2012 at 9:08:11 PM

It's Urobuchi. No one is going to think that it's a good system for a second. Best to get the obvious parts out of the way before getting into the interesting and gritty stuff.

asellus111 Dragon meido Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Dragon meido
#123: Oct 17th 2012 at 9:25:40 PM

[up]Heh, so true.

Edit:But the episode was very messed up...

edited 17th Oct '12 11:04:16 PM by asellus111

KSPAM PARTY PARTY PARTY I WANNA HAVE A PARTY from PARTY ROCK Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
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#124: Oct 18th 2012 at 1:24:52 PM

New episode's out. I have... mixed feelings here. It feels like they're going a little too fast.

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fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#125: Oct 18th 2012 at 1:51:16 PM

ShionAnd her glorious boobies was introduced this episode. What's the problem?


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