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Ever9 from Europe Since: Jul, 2011
#76: Oct 12th 2012 at 9:36:44 AM

By the way, regarding how Urobuchi Gen defines moe, there was this entertaining interview a few years ago with a bunch of VN writers including him, talking about another horror story, Kusarihime ~Euthanasia~.

Nakamura: I loved how Kiriko became crazier the more sex she had. Poor thing.
Meteo: Her handicap didn't really matter to her. She's actually the strongest, maybe.
Urobuchi: We talked about this in the interview, but we wanted Jun to be more of a scream queen.
Tanaka: Yeah, we wanted her to be scream-elemental.
Urobuchi: But the scene where she was blood-splattered and crying had a lot of moe in it.
Nasu: The scene where she has a hatchet and a look on her face like "Look what I did."
Urobuchi: And the part where she was like "Uwahh, she's really scared!"
Tanaka: She was so harsh in the beginning, but in the second half she screams so much in front of your eyes. I liked that gap.
Nakamura: It was amazing how cute she eventually got.

http://www.tsukikan.com/misc/star-scenario-writer-interview.html

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#77: Oct 12th 2012 at 9:38:10 AM

Good ol' Gen. He's like the closet sociopath you invite to your tabletop RPG nights just because you can't wait to see what he'll do next.

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Silentedge89 Optimistic Cynic Since: Apr, 2012
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#78: Oct 12th 2012 at 9:48:06 AM

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I actually think that's why Nasu invites him to said table top RPG nights.

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#79: Oct 12th 2012 at 9:56:20 AM

Well, Opposites Attract. He and Nasu are actually pretty good friends from what I hear...

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Ever9 from Europe Since: Jul, 2011
#80: Oct 12th 2012 at 10:18:04 AM

[up] That interview above also has Nasu in it, right below the bolded line.

(also, Cross Channel Yume Miru Kusuri, Jinrui Wa Suitaishimashita writer Romeo Tanaka)

Honestly, ALL these vn writers sound like sociopaths around a table.

edited 12th Oct '12 10:20:02 AM by Ever9

Silentedge89 Optimistic Cynic Since: Apr, 2012
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#82: Oct 12th 2012 at 12:31:06 PM

Nasu is the inventor of the sex worms and the age 4 todler rape by said worms, so it doesn't surprise me. He just tends to balance the grimdarkness out with rays of hope.

Even though Gen wrote about it in Zero the worms were there in the original FSN.

edited 12th Oct '12 12:32:33 PM by Silentedge89

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#83: Oct 12th 2012 at 2:33:23 PM

I bet Gen Urobuchi has poker time with Lynn Okamoto and Mohiro Kitoh when he's not hanging out with good ol' Nasu.

He also probably tries to find ways to outwit Hirohiko Araki And trying to be more over the top in his Grimdarkness then Araki is When it comes to super powers

edited 12th Oct '12 2:35:36 PM by Demongodofchaos2

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#84: Oct 12th 2012 at 3:34:09 PM

I just wonder how Gen would fare in the Psycho-Pass world xD

There's no Part 1, I just thought it was funny at the time.
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#85: Oct 12th 2012 at 4:03:01 PM

Shinya: Akane! What's the Dominator say about his Psycho-Pass?

Akane: IT'S OVER 9000!!!

Shinya: WHAT?! NINE THOUSAND? There's no way that can be right!

Gen: Huehuehue

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#87: Oct 12th 2012 at 4:21:33 PM

Mohiro Kitoh would probably break the guns just from them trying to read him.

So would Dio Brando.

edited 12th Oct '12 4:21:39 PM by Demongodofchaos2

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#88: Oct 13th 2012 at 11:40:52 AM

Gen: Huehuehue

[lol]

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#89: Oct 13th 2012 at 12:29:16 PM

So what say you on Akane? Some say she is acting way too naive for someone who has apparently gotten top marks at her academy.

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#90: Oct 13th 2012 at 12:34:24 PM

Naive because she didn't know about how criminal status is contagious and stuff or naive because of her actions (stopping them from executing a victim)?

If it's the former, well, they did simply tell her to discard all that shit she learned about on paper, so having top marks probably isn't important in that sense. You know, like people who got grades of A all over their report cards on subjects they will never use

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#91: Oct 13th 2012 at 12:34:50 PM

[up] Oh, so you've been on tumblr? Personally I think she was a bit naive, but I think a portion of it was justified.

HinanawiTenshi Final Boss from Heaven, Above Gensokyo Since: Jul, 2010
#93: Oct 13th 2012 at 4:20:54 PM

I don't understand why people are complaining about the attempted rape thing on the basis of it being bad writing.

I mean, I could get it if people just didn't want to see it because it's disgusting, or because it makes victims IRL have to recall bad memories and suffer trauma, but that doesn't mean that, in writing, it is nonsense. I can easily see why that guy with a high number in...uh...criminal-ness, while breaking down, while having to surpress himself and blah blah, would want to resort to such things, seeing how humans are usually sexually driven beings. I could even call it "good writing" by that logic on the basis of it being realistic, though I suppose that it doesn't work for manipulating audience emotions as well specifically because people complain about these things rather than take it the same way as murdering, disease, arson, etc. is.

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Savoie Since: Mar, 2010
#94: Oct 13th 2012 at 5:02:01 PM

[up] Not bad, just lazy and vulgar.

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#95: Oct 13th 2012 at 6:00:14 PM

I think the controversy is that it was used to create cheap drama. Tastefulness and laziness aside, it seems rape was used to create a victim that the audience could sympathize with. Assuming that we're meant to feel sorry for declared criminals, then it shows that the guy is too far gone to be saved (at least by the standards of the people in the show) while the girl becomes an example that the system is not perfect. Could have another device been used? Certainly. Should it? Perhaps, but as long as it doesn't become a trend, the show should be able to avoid most Unfortunate Implications. It did get the job done fairly quickly.

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#96: Oct 13th 2012 at 7:33:29 PM

They didn't even show the rape scene for long either, so there's that. I'm actually rather amused that people are complaining about the "unnecessary" rape scene when you could complain about the far more gratuitous human con carne scene.

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edited 13th Oct '12 7:35:45 PM by fillerdude

Savoie Since: Mar, 2010
#97: Oct 13th 2012 at 7:58:33 PM

I don't think it's that people are offended that they dared to include rape, just that they included rape and did it poorly and in a manner that indicates lazy writing. The response would also have been more mild had it not been the first episode.

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#98: Oct 13th 2012 at 8:39:11 PM

[up] Which makes me wonder what the response would have been if the guy just straight up killed the gal.

Savoie Since: Mar, 2010
#99: Oct 13th 2012 at 8:48:11 PM

Less, because that would avoid the 'rape for cheap shock value' pitfall.

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#100: Oct 13th 2012 at 8:52:18 PM

I, personally, feel like it wasn't for shock value, but was actually because it would make destabilizing her psychologically believable, and of course her being destabilized by the experience was a fairly important plot point here.

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