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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#9676: Jan 24th 2020 at 6:00:56 AM

Oliver's impending death was the Big Bad. Or, rather, the Monitor was the Big Bad, since he was the one pushing Oliver to go on all the missions (or they went on missions to try and stop him), but he ended up being the Big Good against the Anti-Monitor's Big Bad.

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#9677: Jan 24th 2020 at 6:09:32 AM

Okay. So we had one big mess of a Big Bad situation. Where the guy who everyone thinks is the main villain is actually a good guy trying to stop the actual main villain who doesn't show up until the crossover.

Edited by Bullman on Jan 24th 2020 at 8:09:53 AM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#9678: Jan 24th 2020 at 6:28:44 AM

I mean, not every season needs a Big Bad.

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#9679: Jan 24th 2020 at 6:33:12 AM

I know. I did mention that in the post you were originally responding to. I just find it weird, but not bad. I mean this is the best season in years. So I'm not complaining.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#9680: Jan 24th 2020 at 6:43:46 AM

The closest thing was maybe JJ for the future storyline.

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#9681: Jan 24th 2020 at 8:42:28 AM

The Anti-Monitor was absolutely the Big Bad. We saw his handiwork in the very first episode of the season, when he destroyed Earth-2, and the rest of the season was driven by the quest to stop him (even if the characters didn't know at the time that's who they were working to stop).

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clockworkboy Since: Jun, 2013
#9682: Jan 28th 2020 at 4:15:09 PM

Series finale is on tonight yall! It's gonna be bittersweet. Honestly I've not watched the show in a while but I thought I'd pay my respects and watch it's final episode, it's come a long way.

Edited by clockworkboy on Jan 28th 2020 at 4:17:58 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#9683: Jan 28th 2020 at 6:20:54 PM

So...

Ollie did a retcon on his mom's death. And basically used the universal reboot to punch all crime in Star City right in it's stupid face.

Mission accomplished it seems. Not bad for a man who was stupid, evil and in his final moments, pretty awesome.

Oh, and our hero QUENTIN LANCE!!! apparently lives again!

Edit: Oh shit! Ragman is there!

Edited by HandsomeRob on Jan 28th 2020 at 7:22:29 AM

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#9684: Jan 28th 2020 at 6:27:12 PM

[up]Good things he's gone, because Kara and Jefferson might have wanted some words with Oliver.

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#9685: Jan 28th 2020 at 6:34:49 PM

Weird to see Sara back on this show when she's spent so much time on Legends.

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#9687: Jan 28th 2020 at 7:03:50 PM

Putting aside I was joking, Kara/Lex and Jefferson/ASA compared to how well off Oliver left Star City and the people he brought back.

And wow, they actually did it.

Edited by Cross on Jan 28th 2020 at 10:04:10 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#9688: Jan 28th 2020 at 7:25:02 PM

Oliver revived damn near everyone but classic Laurel and his dad. That was nuts.

So Diggle really is this universe's version of John Stewart? I thought they said years ago that wasn't the case? I know they had Earth 90 Flash say he was him, but I figured that was just a Mythology Gag or something.

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#9689: Jan 28th 2020 at 7:55:35 PM

so what happens to post crisis felicity in 2040, because it was pre-crisis 2040 felicity who the monitor picked up

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#9690: Jan 28th 2020 at 9:05:47 PM

No. Pretty sure it was Post Crisis her. That's how last season ended, and this shows where she went.

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#9691: Jan 28th 2020 at 9:08:29 PM

Rob, look closely at your post because there might be a issue here.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#9692: Jan 28th 2020 at 9:11:12 PM

Oh yeah. I see it.

....Ok, what I was trying to say makes sense to me, but I have to think it over a bit before I try again.

Until then, ignore my previous post.

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#9693: Jan 28th 2020 at 9:15:22 PM

No, this isn't not your fault. Personally I just went cross-eyed thinking about.

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#9694: Jan 28th 2020 at 9:39:46 PM

[up][up]we saw it last season a pre-crisis monitor picked up felicity from the shitty 2040 and took her to olivers pocket universe. but I wanna know is because she was out of the universe at that time when it was recreated did she just disapear in the post crisis during 2040 or did she die before or what.

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#9695: Jan 28th 2020 at 10:07:30 PM

So, did Felicity basically commit suicide to be with Oliver? Because she looked pretty healthy when the Monitor took her away. Not that I'm unhappy at all that Olicity got their happy ending, just confused.

Edited by BearyScary on Jan 28th 2020 at 10:09:25 AM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#9696: Jan 29th 2020 at 12:04:34 AM

JOHN DIGGLE GOT HIS GREEN LANTERN RING, Y'ALL! I AM SUPER HAPPY!

This was a pretty damn good series finale. A series finale is hard to pull off and pulling off a great one takes a lot of work. Thankfully, Arrow put in the work, bringing back pretty much everybody from previous seasons: Moira! Quentin Lance! Tommy! Rory! Emiko! Nyssa and Talia al Ghul!

The finale also centered John Diggle and made him the star, which makes sense — they can't bring back Oliver, even if they did have flashbacks with him in it.

But the ending? The ending was probably the best it could have been. Felicity and Oliver in their own version of Heaven, while everyone else moves on and DIGGLE BECOMES A GREEN LANTERN, BABY!

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#9697: Jan 29th 2020 at 12:04:31 PM

Now THAT is how you end a series. And I don't care about all the haters, Oliver and Felicity got exactly the ending they deserved. The Stinger with John off course was Fan Service at its purest, really hope something will come of it.

Also, that fight scene in the flashback? Probably the best one in the entire verse yet, period.

Thanks Arrow, for 8 awesome years. Yes, you weren't always perfect. But you laid the solid groundwork for an entire verse full of wonders. I don't think any show will ever replicate what you did.

Edited by Forenperser on Jan 29th 2020 at 9:30:33 PM

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#9699: Jan 29th 2020 at 5:01:32 PM

Arrow essentially got a ten episode bonus season just to squeeze in as many touching goodbyes as it could, and damn if they didn't all land!

I don't think this is how anyone ever expected Arrow to end, what with rebooting reality and all, but I'm not sure it could get a better note to go out on.

And, yes, that fight scene may very well be the show's best.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#9700: Jan 29th 2020 at 5:20:38 PM

Yeah. Even as things started getting weird with meta-humans, magic, aliens, alternate realities, etc, Arrow always kept one foot in reality, but this last season really had them go all in on the weirdness that the universe had been building up.

...shit, Ollie really is the DCTV equivalent of Tony Stark.

The same thing pretty much happened with the MCU.

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