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kalel94 Rascal King from Dragonstone Since: Feb, 2011
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#251: Dec 12th 2012 at 1:55:13 PM

Damn, this probably means that Thea won't become a junkie, get a cyborg arm, and stroke a dead cat while high out of her mind.

Also Ollie may never get to say, "My sister is a JUNKIE?!"

The last hurrah? Nah, I'd do it again.
3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#252: Dec 12th 2012 at 2:40:08 PM

wild mass guessSpeedy!Roy does Drugs with Thea, gets found out by Olli, kicked out. Olli then finds out that Thea got HIV from a used needle and trying to "cheer her up" starts training her as new Speedy.wild mass guess

or something like that.

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hcobb Since: Jan, 2001
#253: Dec 12th 2012 at 5:34:15 PM

So she's going to be killed by a sharp pointy thing? tongue

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#254: Dec 12th 2012 at 6:50:12 PM

Damn, I thought sure when Oliver's mother told Walter she'd explain things after the party that he was a goner. Close but no cigar. And no big surprise, Norman Osborne Tommy's father is Ollie's Evil Counterpart.

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kalel94 Rascal King from Dragonstone Since: Feb, 2011
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#255: Dec 12th 2012 at 6:53:11 PM

I fan-gasmed when Barrowman said Green Arrow.

The last hurrah? Nah, I'd do it again.
jedimaster91 Since: Sep, 2010
#256: Dec 13th 2012 at 8:01:09 AM

Ollie's mom is on the list.

I've been suspecting this all along.

edited 13th Dec '12 8:02:38 AM by jedimaster91

warrior93 warrior93 from North Carolina Since: Feb, 2011
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#257: Dec 14th 2012 at 11:29:28 AM

This episode reminded of the first fight between Batman and Bane in Dark Knight Rises.

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#258: Dec 14th 2012 at 11:32:23 AM

It wasn't that one sided. It reminded me of Sting's first title match with Vader. Plucky face champion goes up against monster heel, champ loses his title and gets damn near crippled in the process. It took Sting a while to figure out Vader.

Hopefully it'll take a few seasons for GA to figure out Merlyn.

wild mass guessSince his dad is Merlyn, Tommy Merlyn will wind up being Arsenal.wild mass guess

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kalel94 Rascal King from Dragonstone Since: Feb, 2011
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#259: Dec 14th 2012 at 12:07:16 PM

[up] More likely, they'll go the Osborn route, and Tommy will take up the Merlyn identity from his father.

The last hurrah? Nah, I'd do it again.
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#260: Dec 14th 2012 at 12:46:57 PM

I really hope not. A DC show stealing a Marvel storyline does nothing for me. Plus, the whole "dad's evil, so his kid's evil" thing has been done to death. It's probably a trope on this very site. (I'd look it up, but I gotta to work in 15 min.)

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ShadowScythe from Australia Since: Dec, 2009
#261: Dec 14th 2012 at 1:25:17 PM

Yeah I'm concerned about Tommy as a character. Most of the others have a role but I have no idea what his point is if Daddy's the Merlyn we were waiting for.

I really hope he doesn't go the Harry Osborne route, but it doesn't look like he's got anywhere else to go seeing as otherwise he's just pointlessly getting in the way of the obvious Arrow/Canary OTP (even if Tommy and Laurel probably work better).

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#262: Dec 14th 2012 at 2:28:30 PM

They really shouldn't have included Black Canary this early.

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kalel94 Rascal King from Dragonstone Since: Feb, 2011
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#263: Dec 14th 2012 at 3:48:54 PM

I kind of agree, since her love interest, Ollie, is showing absolutely no interest in her.

The last hurrah? Nah, I'd do it again.
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#264: Dec 14th 2012 at 4:50:19 PM

Oh, FINALLY, a Myth Arc! With an actual Big Bad! The Plot Thickens!

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#265: Dec 15th 2012 at 1:18:26 PM

And it's the exact same myth arc and Big Bad that's been involved in all the other episodes! tongue

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#266: Dec 15th 2012 at 1:27:00 PM

Yeah, but we're still finally given a sense of direction. Until now it was all "let's clean the list" and get rid of a bunch of related corrupt corporate executives. But now there's some huge city-destroying innocent murdering Cartoonish Supervillainy going on, complete with a supervillain with all the typical tropes involved when it comes to interacting with the protagonist. Same with the island, we finally get to know what's going on.

In fact, one could have missed all episodes previous to this one and still understood the events here fully. Everything until now was filler and warmup.

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kalel94 Rascal King from Dragonstone Since: Feb, 2011
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#267: Dec 15th 2012 at 1:30:59 PM

Yeah, an arc has been going on the whole time behind the scenes, it's just now we're being made aware of it.

Speaking of which, what exactly is Merlyn planning that will "reshape the city" and "kill thousands of innocent people"? My guess is it has something to do with that Applied Sciences division they keep mentioning, and we now know has a member of the list working in it...

The last hurrah? Nah, I'd do it again.
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#268: Dec 15th 2012 at 1:55:05 PM

Applied Sciences...

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#269: Dec 15th 2012 at 3:17:28 PM

I laughed. [lol]

And this is true, I concede to your point about it coming to the forefront now! I wouldn't call the earlier parts filler at all. It's rising action. Still, the supervillain elements with Merlyn are ones I too have been looking forward to.

I wish he'd start going by Green Arrow. Even if it was just picked up as a nickname by others or whatever. It's just one of those stylistic things. Plus I really don't think nicknames like The Green Arrow are really that unbelievable. We've had all kinds of nicknames and such like that IRL, such as The Red Baron.

edited 15th Dec '12 3:19:19 PM by Prime_of_Perfection

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kalel94 Rascal King from Dragonstone Since: Feb, 2011
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#270: Dec 15th 2012 at 4:43:11 PM

[up] With two archers running around, the cops will need names to distinguish them by, and their distinguishing trait is apparently their different colored arrows, so I wouldn't be surprised if the police start calling Ollie the "green arrow guy", and that gets shortened to just Green Arrow...

The last hurrah? Nah, I'd do it again.
ShadowScythe from Australia Since: Dec, 2009
#271: Dec 15th 2012 at 5:24:10 PM

Or Merlyn keeps calling him Green Arrow to mock him and it ends up sticking.

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#272: Dec 15th 2012 at 7:37:09 PM

Hmm... not sure which I like more... I'd accept both of them personally. I just hope he's fully called the Green Arrow and such. As long as it doesn't come up with some stupid nickname like The Blur.

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3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#273: Dec 16th 2012 at 5:36:48 AM

It'll probably end up as The Arrow...

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#274: Dec 16th 2012 at 9:30:22 AM

I'd actually be okay with "the Hood".

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3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#275: Dec 16th 2012 at 9:44:50 AM

Or maybe they go into something totally unsuspected to differentiate the two and Olli will be "The Recurve Bow" and Merlyn Sr will be "The Compound Bow"

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