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alekos23 Occular Powers?
Occular Powers?
Apr 14th 2014 at 3:03:14 PM

Titan's kinda cold for Titans.

Rojixus Autobot Emperor of Destruction from Cybertron
Autobot Emperor of Destruction
Apr 14th 2014 at 6:44:18 PM

So chapters 5 and 6 of Before the Fall are out, I'm not saying Kyokuro is titan-chow, I'm just heavily thinking that.

edited 14th Apr '14 6:44:57 PM by Rojixus

WE. ARE NOT. THE DECEPTICONS!!!
Apr 15th 2014 at 1:23:26 AM

They didn't explain the absurdly sharp knife, didn't they?

So, if AOT is really attack on Saturn's moon, how would the characters fit?

Apr 16th 2014 at 8:08:27 PM

I've heard some pretty disturbing rumors that Hajime Isayama denies the atrocities committed by his people during their occupation of Korea. Can anyone fill me in?

Apr 16th 2014 at 8:15:33 PM

No, Isayama didn't deny it, he just glorified a war criminal. Hitler Ate Sugar case here.

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Apr 16th 2014 at 8:53:36 PM

It's complicated. Isayama didn't outright state so in public. Some fans did a little detective work and deduced that a twitter account is Isayama's. It's not yet 100% certain that the twitter account is Isayama's and the tweets were also in private mode.

My wallet wishes he would be a more public jerk.

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Apr 16th 2014 at 8:58:29 PM

Well, actually, he confirmed it in his public livedoor blog before the anime was even announced. Or are you talking about something else here?

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Apr 16th 2014 at 9:00:54 PM

[up] I'm talking about this mess:

http://seldomusings.wordpress.com/2013/10/19/migiteorerno/

Is the Livedoor mess you're talking about the one which had death threats?

edited 16th Apr '14 9:03:42 PM by probablyinsane

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Apr 16th 2014 at 9:14:13 PM

They are the same mess. Although Isayama isn't exactly denying that the massacre happened, he was saying that the massacre helped Korea a lot, and therefore Korea shouldn't see it as a crime, which is a lot similar to Holocaust denier's claim (the Holocaust got rid of Jewish evil, so we shouldn't see it as a crime).

But that shouldn't affect the series, unless it reached Mahouka/Birdemic territory.

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Apr 16th 2014 at 9:25:34 PM

[up] Did he state so in public? I'm not denying the evidence that the private tweets may be his, but maybe he said something similar on his livedoor blog?

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Apr 16th 2014 at 9:50:31 PM

Ops, thought you were talking about something else.

He didn't. All he said was that Akiyama was a respectable teacher and strategist. Even so, in both instances, Isayama didn't denied the massacre, he just hold the view held by a majority of others in Japan, which is morally wrong but not entirely Isayama's fault. And he is not writing that into the series unlike a certain author in this season, so that shouldn't affect anyone's enjoyment of the series.

harostar Sent to Idol hell Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Sent to Idol hell
Apr 17th 2014 at 11:29:41 AM

I think the previously linked article is a good summary of the issue, Snailfish. It's complicated, between the narrative being told in the story (atrocities, a government hiding history from the people) and Japanese downplaying/denial of their nation's dark past.

It's hard to know Isayama's true feelings and thoughts on the matter, and it is certainly disturbing to deal with a creator that harbors such opinions. But it does seem his attitudes are born from ignorance, as opposed to hatred. The basic jist of his controversial comments were taking issue to the comparison of the Japanese to the Nazis, and how he believed that the occupation helped Korea in the long term through technological advancements, ect, ect. It's a systematic problem with the Japanese, in the same way that American schools for a long time did not address our very dark history and still don't, to some degrees.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
Apr 17th 2014 at 9:04:13 PM

Okay, so I picked up the first four volumes of the manga from my library with the intent getting caught up with the story since I really like it. However, it seems that the anime team is significantly better than Isayama. The inclusion of the scenes showing the 104th training that allowed us to get the know the various characters before 90% of them were killed off was a very good idea and actually made me sad when they were killed off but so far, in the manga, I only have reason to care for Eren and Mikasa and even then their personalities seem to be a lot more flat here than in the anime.

Also, I'm getting a sneaking suspicion that the official English translation of the manga is a bad one. At one point in Episode 3, when Eren, Mikasa, and Armin are talking after leaving the party, Eren makes a great point about Armin throwing his talents away by joining the Survey Team when, out of fucking nowhere, Armin yells "If I died it wouldn't matter!" Eren and Mikasa then stare at him like he's just gone insane and I can understand why. The art's also a little odd at times.

Now, this is only Volume 1 and the manga series is really popular so I'm guess it starts out weak but gets better later on. Is that the case? Also, is the official English translation bad like I think it is? Should I ditch it for a scanlation?

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Apr 17th 2014 at 9:14:27 PM

[up] Kodansha USA / Crunchyroll translation is the best and most accurate, imho. And you're least likely to run into (not in the original Japanese at all) gendered insults.

As for story quality, I have noticed that the first arc is arguably the least favorite in the fandom.

1st arc (vol. 1-4) - Trost Arc - imo medium start, weakest finish
2nd arc (vol. 5-8) - Fem-Titan Arc - imo strongest start, medium finish
3rd arc (vol. 9-12) - OMG Arc - imo weakest start, strongest finish

4th arc (ongoing) - Of course, humanity is more trouble than mindless Titans Arc - reserving overall judgment until next year probably...

edited 17th Apr '14 9:14:47 PM by probablyinsane

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harostar Sent to Idol hell Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Sent to Idol hell
Apr 17th 2014 at 9:17:44 PM

[up][up] Don't ditch for fan translations, trust me on that. They are infamous for being not only inaccurate, but for some intentionally changing stuff. There was a big controversy, for example, over fan translators adding misogynistic insults to the Female Titan arc that weren't in the original material. In comparing the official to the fan stuff, it really can be a huge difference — a lot of stuff gets lost, messed up, or confused by bad translations by the later.

The art in the beginning of the series is awful.

All that said, fair warning that this forum openly discusses recent events so if you stick around....prepare for MAJOR spoilers.

edited 17th Apr '14 9:17:55 PM by harostar

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
Apr 17th 2014 at 9:26:48 PM

Yeah, I know that from when I came by here a while ago when FU Nimation announced a preview of the English dub of the anime. Good to know that the art does get better but I'm sightly saddened that this is the best translation. Either I need to rewatch the anime and simply see if I'm forgetting things or FU Nimation simply did a better job. Either way, I'll press and maybe chime every now and then with my opinions on things changed in or added to the anime as well as my opinions of later plot points, if no one minds.

Also, what volume is the manga currently on? My library only has up to Volume 12.

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Apr 17th 2014 at 9:29:24 PM

Watch the anime.
Read-review last two chapters of volume 8.
And just read the rest.

[up] Kodansha USA is behind by... 1 volume and a couple of chapters, I think. The latest chapters are available legally at Crunchyroll.

I go through 3-4 versions every time a new chapter is out. imho, Kodansha USA / Crunchyroll is the best version.

edited 17th Apr '14 9:34:08 PM by probablyinsane

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Apr 17th 2014 at 9:34:59 PM

That's the most up to date physical volume. My library only has four copy of volume one.

Ninja'd

edited 17th Apr '14 9:42:15 PM by KnightofNASA

harostar Sent to Idol hell Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Sent to Idol hell
Apr 18th 2014 at 12:24:43 AM

We just got chapter 56 this month, with four chapters per volume.

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Apr 18th 2014 at 9:21:26 PM Plants are aliens, and fungi are nanomachines.
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Apr 21st 2014 at 2:01:44 PM

...Misogynistic insults? If you're talking about what I think you're talking about, gendered insults are not the same as misogynistic insults. Even those would be entirely understandable given the situation. I don't get what the big deal is here. Aren't there masculine-specific insults used elsewhere...? The Female Titan is female. It makes sense to use (somewhat) specific insults.

Also, I'm leaning back toward the true threat being a purely external one. The tone of recent chapters has been hinting that even the government conspiracy isn't straight-up evil, but is trying to do what it has to, along with being corrupt and power-hungry.

harostar Sent to Idol hell Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Sent to Idol hell
Apr 21st 2014 at 9:23:08 PM

[up] Eh, it comes off as juvenile to me that fan translations felt the need (both in the manga and the anime) to add in some of those insults and lines that aren't even remotely in the original. Instead of just shouting about killing her, tossing in "bitch" and "cunt" all over the place when the original doesn't even IMPLY that kind of language or tone is just unnecessary. Levi and Oluo are foul-mouthed, and Eren is kind of childish-foul, but otherwise there really isn't a lot of foul-language in the series.

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Apr 21st 2014 at 9:49:46 PM

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FergardStratoavis Booby from High as a Kite Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Booby
Apr 21st 2014 at 11:50:07 PM

[up][up]Well, we all know how swears make anything "cool and edgy".

Or perhaps the translators just have a need to convey some extra emotion into words and don't have any other alternatives they view as good. Considering that Japanese is a language where the foulest insult roughly translates to "you're the worst"...

So... who do you think has the biggest death flag out of main characters right now?

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
Apr 21st 2014 at 11:51:12 PM

Mikasa because that would completely destroy Eren, I think.

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