Shingeki no Kyojin/Attack on Titan (Manga Discussion)

Isayama has done a good job to present things in a morally complex fashion until now, I really don't think he's going to go full extremist. Eren is being presented as fuckin' scary this chapter. Even if he does end up winning, I think whatever he's going to do will be presented as a horrible tragedy, the inevitable result of a long, complex and strong chain of abuses.

That said, I hope there's another incoming twist and Eren, Zeke, or both, or somebody else have to make up on the spot a different wish that whatever Eren has in mind.

I think this has turned into a villain versus villain conflict.

Either Zeke sterilizes the Eldians or Fuhrer Eren obliterates all his enemies so the Eldians are probably the only ones left.

@Collosus Sure but Eren seems to be presented as a bad guy too here

Turn everybody into an Eldian, then remove the Titan power.

Also, I've seen enough american flags being used as if I should be proud of it to scoff at the idea of being distressed over this.

Clearly the demon who gave Ymir the power was Eren all along!

(Note: Keikaku means plan)

Anyway, giving everybody the power to turn into Titans might be a interesting solution, in a "So, who exactly are you guys going to exterminate to make the problem disappear, now?" way. Sadly, I don't think it's viable, as I think Ymir has absolute control only over Eldian bodies.

Edited by Cozzer on Sep 6th 2019 at 2:26:46 PM

And that implies Marley managed to get everybody with Eldian blood into camps. I wouldn't be surprised if everybody had some degree of Eldian ancestry.

One thought that's coming to mind right now is "what if Eren isn't the final holder of the Attack Titan?" As in at least some of this is from someone who comes after Eren and is affecting him the way we're seeing Eren affect Grisha

Really cool theory. There's so much ground for further mindscews.

That said, I do think it's important that Eren is being presented as WRONG and as incredibly sinister this chapter. He's veering into Villain Protagonist territory.

Are you joking? Veering? He's been a Villain Protagonist since he crushed all those non-combatants in Liberio 20 chapters ago.

I don't see them doing that simply because this whole experience would lose it's impact if you reveal that Eren was ALSO being controlled by another Attack Titan holder. Plus, absolving a character of all their sins like that would just seem like an Ass Pull.

I really do like that the Shingeki's super secret power is The ability to move freely through time via paths. It's kinda like the Bleeding Effect in Assassin's Creed but with more oomf But now I'm just curious: What the hell was that creature that gave Ymir this power? I really hope this series doesn't end without at least letting us see the damn thing. Or, y'know, copout and say she really did just touch a pile of organic matter.

It all really depends on whether Eren wins or not. If Eren achieves victory, unleashes the Rumbling to save Paradis, and it works? The Extremist Was Right. Eren did was his friends could not bring themselves to do, and did the terrifying but correct thing.

If Zeke wins, then the story is bleak, unnecessary, and carries the connotations that the best thing really would be for the Eldians to stop existing. And that is a shitload of Unfortunate Implications.

The best outcome is Armin gets his way: using the Wall Titans as a threat, and possibly to eliminate invading forces, but not unleash the entire Rumbling. Eventually this will be phased out as Paradis develops a more successful and modern military. But even that, unless I'm overthinking it, makes me think about the idea that Japan should rearm. Now, the series has always been militaristic, and that is something I've accepted for a long time. It just depends how deep Isayama goes in.

Edited by SilentColossus on Sep 6th 2019 at 9:49:55 AM

I mean if Eren genocides every other race but the Eldians, I don’t think it means the extremist was right.

We don't know if that's exactly what he is going to do. This chapter didn't tell us his plan at all and just made more questions than answers.

We'll cross that bridge of Unfortunate Implications if Isayama takes it there but as of right now we still have no clue where the hell Eren is going with this.

The way the plot was laid out, there are many ways this could get to Unfortunate Implications Land.

Zeke wins? Final Solution portrayed positively. Eren destroys every non-Eldian? With the Zionist parallels some people have been tracing here, this is gonna sound like a fanfic by Alex Jones or something. Paradis survives by rearming itself? The "remilitarization of Japan" vibes may get strong.

And I will look even more of a fool for having defended this manga before.

Nah its saying that last line at all already does that for ya.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 7th 2019 at 5:46:57 AM

You may be right. But well, what is life without making at least one or two questionable choices, right?

Edited by KusaMigeru on Sep 7th 2019 at 9:44:04 AM

A thought: Last chapter Founder Ymir was portrayed as a mindless slave blind to the Royal Family. what if Eren sets her free somehow to act as she sees fit.

Edited by sgamer82 on Sep 7th 2019 at 11:32:07 AM

I thought Eren laid it out pretty clearly last chapter.

He’s willing to take the freedom of anyone that’s trying to take his freedom aka he’s willing to murder all his enemies and most of the world is his enemy now.

I'd be surprised if that actually is Ymir, and not one of her three daughters.

Edited by doineedaname on Sep 7th 2019 at 3:44:33 PM

Can we all just have a round of applause for King Fritz? Apparently he was so powerful that he essentially neutered his entire family past, present and future. Imagining barring even your deific progenitor from being able to die properly.

I'd post a Congratulations clip, but I'm already currently using airport.

I got you fam.

Edited by Cross on Sep 7th 2019 at 5:49:32 AM

So I noticed that Grisha called Mikasa his daughter when he's talking to the Reiss family. Thought that was a nice detail.

Shows how he genuinely changed, tried to avoid the same mistakes he made with Zeke for Eren... only for Eren to mess him up.

Edited by JRads47 on Sep 7th 2019 at 6:28:44 AM

It's September 9th in Japan, so happy 10th anniversary to the manga!

The entire manga is up on display in Shibuya