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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#2101: Oct 14th 2024 at 5:30:04 AM

Atris is also a character I have a particular interest in, because she has such a personal connection to the Exile, and similarities to Kreia.

Plus her whole deal is compelling villain stuff, Jedi who was haughty and had an idealized way of how the Jedi operate, but faced some massive cognitive dissonance when she wanted to defy the council and help out in the Mandalorian wars, and the woman she admired had the courage to do what she thought was needed while Atris could never follow her ideals.

And despite technically being validated, Atris still harbors a lot of bitterness over that whole conflict with the Jedi and her idealized view of them being forever broken.

Not so different from G0-T0 breaking if you think about it.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Oct 14th 2024 at 8:30:24 PM

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#2102: Oct 14th 2024 at 5:37:11 AM

@Red What about Darth Vitiate then? You love the Sith, but haven't talked about him much.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#2103: Oct 14th 2024 at 5:43:40 AM

Oh, now Darth Vitiate is an interesting one to bring up. I personally think he's at his most interesting when he's his split memory self in Echoes of Oblivion.

Like, yeah he's really a discount Palpatine with none of his magnificence, and there are more interesting Sith than him in the Imperial side, like Marr, Baras, Zash, and even THANATON. Vitiate is just kinda there despite his enormous power.

But that said, I think the most interesting part of him is his whole identity crisis. Dude's ultimate goal is to become a God so he can experience life through various perspectives like a simple farmer, a hero, a villain, and everything else. It's clearly meant to parallel the player and how they role play in the game with the class system. You can play as a Sith Inquisitor or Warrior, be a proud Republic soldier, an Imperial secret police member, or noble Jedi.

Though this is undermined by how all of Vitiate's identities have been evil. Sure, there's some variety in Valkorian, Vitiate and Tenebrae, but he's still a dick drunk on the dark side just different in how he goes about it.

I think there is potential about a person who has lived multiple lives through the Sith, Jedi, and non-force people, it would make an interesting parallel to a certain mean old lady being a former Jedi and Sith and found both wanting.

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SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#2104: Oct 14th 2024 at 10:05:29 AM

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And love. Atris loved the Exile. Explicitly, if Exile is a man, but very little about the Exile's or Atris' dialogue or relationship is actually changed if the Exile is a woman.

That love turned to bitterness and hate after the Exile went to war and "fell to the Dark Side," which is why Atris was so obsessed with having the Exile exiled from the Jedi Order after they broke the Jedi Code.

Speaking of love, one thing I like about KOTOR 2 is that the Force Sensitive companions end up having feelings for the opposite gender Exile, even though the game does not allow for the Exile to return, or if they do, act on those feelings. It adds a tension to the Ebon Hawk and party dynamics that isn't present in many RPGs that I have played, and it's the kind of thing I'd love to see expanded on in other games.

But some players hate it when companions show interest at all when the player doesn't make the first move, let alone having them get envious no matter what the player does. So I feel like I'm in a minority.

Edited by SilentColossus on Oct 14th 2024 at 1:10:14 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#2105: Oct 14th 2024 at 1:49:22 PM

As far as the villains in KOTOR 2 are concerned, I think Darth Sion is kind of a great, overlooked character.

He is basically a walking, talking, rotten corpse held together by nothing but hatred and willpower. And it's played for tragedy, there is nothing even remotely 'cool' about it.

Edited by Forenperser on Oct 14th 2024 at 10:50:05 AM

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#2106: Oct 14th 2024 at 1:54:29 PM

hes the angriest Sith ever

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#2107: Oct 14th 2024 at 2:42:00 PM

[up][up] The Sith Triumvirate are villains that are in general supposed to take apart the cool power fantasy of the Sith and in particular, Vader and Palpatine.

And they do it while being able to stand out on their own as characters which makes the deconstruction actually work.

Tho I will say, I AM grateful SWTOR lets us play as the evil dark lords of the Sith with the Sith classes.

Being a Dark Side Sith Inquisitor is one of the best damn experiences I've ever had in a Star Wars game. cool

Edited by RedHunter543 on Oct 14th 2024 at 6:26:01 PM

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#2108: Oct 14th 2024 at 4:08:56 PM

[up] You could even go further to see the Sith Triumvirate as deconstructions of player characters. Sion is an unstoppable killing machine, Nihilus is a force of nature that gets stronger with each being he absorbs and Traya is master manipulator who can convince of anything. I will admut that I do not every of SWTOR but at least it gives you the oppurtunity to roleplay as Sith.

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FrozenWolf2 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#2109: Oct 14th 2024 at 4:22:42 PM

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Atton is the most honest character 'irony being he is the scoundrel and he is hiding a mess of secrets'

unlike Kreia who Grandstands for Revan

Atton calls Revan and those who sided with him what they are... Bastards who didn't deserve an ounce of pity and deserved to be lined up and shot for their cruelty and callousness

There is a reason in the cut content the key to keeping Atton alive isn't training him to be a jedi or not... its getting him to forgive himself/ move on from what he has done in the past and look to the future.

though Atton's death at Sion's hands is probably the most fitting... Atton surviving spites Kriea the most sooo

This is an outrage against Luminara!
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#2110: Oct 15th 2024 at 12:01:34 AM

Atton is a better character, than most people give him credit for.

Usually when people bring him up, it's the whole "fighting each other over religion while people burn" speech when it's clear the intent was for him to be full of shit, and running away from his own past.

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Avenger09 Since: May, 2014
#2111: Oct 15th 2024 at 5:54:12 PM

The concept of Sion and Nihlus would be very cool to see in a more versatile medium, without the limits of a old video game engine.

Such as visualising Sion's immortality as leaking black and red smoke whenever he loses/re-attaches a limb or is stabbed.

Nihlius could be portrayed as almost floating across the ground like a undead shade, showing off he no longer has a body, and is only imitating the motions he used in life.

Edited by Avenger09 on Oct 15th 2024 at 1:55:09 PM

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