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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#101: Oct 29th 2013 at 3:25:32 AM

I'm unsure about the timeline, but the Hyuuga didn't have a mental model at the time of the sinking, as Iona says she's never sunken a ship with a mental model before?

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MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#102: Oct 29th 2013 at 3:53:41 AM

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Given Hyuuga's obsessive attachment to Iona, I kind of presume that she did already have a mental model by then, as only through one can a Fog Ship start, well, acting human. So Iona's comment this episode doesn't make much sense, at least if you take that viewpoint.

Also, it would be kind of moot for a Fog Ship to make a mental model when their main body is gone.

edited 29th Oct '13 3:55:11 AM by MyssaRei

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#103: Oct 29th 2013 at 4:10:05 AM

Dunno how moot it would be considering a few of the other characters who lack ships but have a mental model...

But yeah, I just really found that comment to not make sense at all.

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MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#104: Oct 29th 2013 at 4:14:55 AM

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Said characters already had a mental model to begin with when they had ships. What you're suggesting — if indeed what you meant was Hyuuga got SUNK first — is a union core forming a mental model after their ship gets blown to smithereens.

HOW will they do that, pray tell? As shown by Kirishima, on its own a union core is pretty helpless and inert, and she had to ask help first from Haruna to even gain her teddy bear body.

edited 29th Oct '13 4:23:14 AM by MyssaRei

Tenzen12 Red Lagoon Since: Jul, 2011
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#105: Oct 29th 2013 at 4:45:39 AM

What about spoiler tag on that last part?

kiukiuclk from 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693 Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: My TiMER is ticking
#106: Oct 29th 2013 at 4:47:47 AM

[up] Honestly, it was kind of interesting that the mental models could survive without the ship. Would not have expected that. The models seemed to humanoid interfaces rather than autonomous robots. I guess they are both? I noticed there is only one Iona also, but it's not a huge loss. IT's pretty well implied that she's mostly automated anyway and doesn't really need a crew.

I assume Haruna stuck her core in one of her many, many pockets ahead of time. It would kind of make sense for her. I liked her collecting words also, although I sorta wonder how she was doing it. (I don't think that was in the manga as far as I read).

Kirishima becomes a teddy bear? That's great.

edited 29th Oct '13 4:48:17 AM by kiukiuclk

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#107: Oct 29th 2013 at 4:50:43 AM

What I said is just the logical conclusion of that comment. If Iona hadn't sunk a ship with a mental model, Hyuuga couldn't have had one at that time. I have no idea how it would work, though, but Iona could perhaps help with that.

Haruna likes words in the manga too. Just not as emphasised as it was here.

edited 29th Oct '13 4:52:07 AM by AnotherDuck

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kiukiuclk from 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693 Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: My TiMER is ticking
#108: Oct 29th 2013 at 8:40:16 AM

Maybe she didn't sink Hyuuga? Maybe she just surrendered after taking sufficient damage and evacuated her main body? (which would make Iona's comment technically true). I think her comment was Iona being a ship and using "sink" instead of "kill" Since Hyuuga is still "alive".

Tenzen12 Red Lagoon Since: Jul, 2011
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#109: Oct 29th 2013 at 4:09:00 PM

Yeah, I thought about it and it seems plasauble option

entropy13 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#110: Oct 30th 2013 at 3:22:17 PM

I find the FOG as a weird version of the geth. lol With additional helpings from the other races of Mass Effect too. LOL

For those reading the manga or uh light novel, or whatever, does it all devolve into a war between 'We all want him to be our captain, IYKWIM' and 'We don't know who exactly he is to form a decision yet', i.e. Infinite Stratos? That's the vibes I'm getting.

edited 30th Oct '13 3:24:43 PM by entropy13

jaustin89 Since: Jul, 2012
#111: Oct 30th 2013 at 3:47:31 PM

No, not even close. There's some little teases that could be interpreted that way but you'd pretty much have to be trying to see it as such(at least out side of one ship who should be obvious at this point).

Tenzen12 Red Lagoon Since: Jul, 2011
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#112: Oct 30th 2013 at 4:02:20 PM

Only Takao is that way, other ships had their own goals and development.

MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#113: Oct 30th 2013 at 4:39:19 PM

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There is only one true ship in the series, and it concerns Takao, tsundere heavy cruiser, flagship of our hearts.

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#114: Oct 30th 2013 at 4:50:39 PM

I'm mistaken then. But anyway, there's really so much inconsistencies/lack of clarity with the tech here that it makes GN particles reasonable.

MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#115: Oct 30th 2013 at 5:14:57 PM

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We don't have the specifics of Fog tech, but recently translated supplements have kind of hint that the Fog has been around a long time. To give you an idea, the Bismarck sisters were first encountered after World War 1.

I can post the translated timeline, unless Tenzen does it first.

edited 30th Oct '13 5:20:08 PM by MyssaRei

Tenzen12 Red Lagoon Since: Jul, 2011
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#116: Nov 2nd 2013 at 7:20:51 PM

Suit yourself. I will be content with critising you when you do some mistakeevil grin(Yeah, I feel quite lazy recently)

Anyway Fog tech can be divided into three groups.

Nanomaterial: Everything with exception of core is out of it, they can shape it by own will and are limited only own computing capacity. Though Mental model appearence and architecture of their Warships are set by default (I guess it's BIOS thing). Damaged Nanomaterial is excluded in form of silver dust. Though it seems standart weapon can't do much damage on it anyway.

Quantum communication: Instant telepathy without any lag (and no, you don't need tea service for that)

Gravitational and Spatial manipulation: During Thanatonium fission gravitational waves are released. That is used in corrosive torpedos and Heavy Gravitational cannons They can also use Klein field for precise manipulation of these waves. Spatial manipulation is mostly for defensive, it work on Klein bottle principle when it redirect any kind of energy (including gravitational waves). Advanced ships showed fullfledged version that affected who knows how many dimension. How they doing that is unknown.

It's not that unclear if you understand principles.

edited 2nd Nov '13 7:44:52 PM by Tenzen12

kiukiuclk from 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693 Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: My TiMER is ticking
#117: Nov 2nd 2013 at 8:39:15 PM

[up] In short...it's magitech! Zero explenation, but it's used pretty consistently however.

Klein Field: AT Field Expy. [lol] Can only be hurt by the following weapons.

Corrosive Warhead/torpedo/etc: some sorta mumbo-jumbo about spacial distortions....but it's one of the few things that can hurt the Klein fields.

Super Gravity Cannon: Wave Motion Gun expy. Can actually break the Klein fields and OHK what's inside.

caught up (well, to chapter 48) with the manga. Interesting, but there doesn't seem to be an obvious path for them to focus on in the anime. (Nothing that really fits as a climax for one thing, unless this is a actually a 2 cour series). Looks like Haruna's ark is next, which is good. That was one of my favorites.

Tenzen12 Red Lagoon Since: Jul, 2011
Red Lagoon
#118: Nov 3rd 2013 at 4:08:36 AM

Klein field can be destroyed by anything with enough power, but "enough power " means far more than mankind is able produce though.

edited 3rd Nov '13 4:09:44 AM by Tenzen12

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#119: Nov 3rd 2013 at 4:54:40 AM

Any idea of what it is compared to a nuke?

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Tenzen12 Red Lagoon Since: Jul, 2011
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#120: Nov 3rd 2013 at 4:58:04 AM

Nuclear fission is comparable to sun. Thanatonium fission to black hole....

But I think it's Actualy possible that arpeggio verse might not developed nukes in same degree as our.

edited 3rd Nov '13 7:29:42 AM by Tenzen12

kiukiuclk from 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693 Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: My TiMER is ticking
#121: Nov 3rd 2013 at 1:41:44 PM

[up] Well, they seem to be more advanced in some areas. So I would assume probably similar nuclear development.

[up][up] I don't think Nukes were tried, although I'm not sure why they would. closest thing I can think of is in Eva they fired like 500(?-several hundread IIRC) nukes at an Angel and and managed to drop it's AT field but something else happened(I forget what). I would think that enough nukes could breach the Klien fields, but it might take fairly large number. Japan definitely wouldn't have enough. Even someplace like america would probably only have enough to take out 1-3 ships. Doen't seem worth it considering how many Fog ships there are and the fallout from such an attack.

As long as the Fog don't attack land targets there doesn't seem to be any point in drawing their attention like that unless you can take on all of them. Nuking one might get them to change that policy.

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#122: Nov 4th 2013 at 3:59:14 PM

Episode 5. In which the Heavy Tsundere Cruiser gets clonked.

Standing up suddenly after having been unconscious for a long while is not a good idea. Even for mental models.

Haruna standing up the second time was also funny.

Haruna doesn't like playing dressup. I'm fairly certain she's the only one not enjoying it, though. I especially liked the part where she got pulled from her beloved coat by the legs.

"Do you like him?"
"No, that's not... necessarily wrong." Good pause.

Nothing can escape the mighty Glomp. It counters any attack. It's even more effective than the Armour Piercing Slap.

Kongo seems more distant here than in the manga. Probably as a consequence of the lack of Yamato.

I like how a teddy bear is far more expressive than a human-looking person.

—Where Do We Come From?
What Are We?
Where Are We Going?—

Good questions.

Moral of the episode: It doesn't matter who you are, as long as you're capable of making someone smile.

By the way, I like Haruna's hair bands.

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MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#123: Nov 4th 2013 at 4:34:01 PM

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And another Arpeggio/Kancolle endcard, this time Kongou - Kongou. Heh.

Edit: Whoops. Lack of Engrish throws me off.

edited 4th Nov '13 4:45:57 PM by MyssaRei

Tenzen12 Red Lagoon Since: Jul, 2011
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#124: Nov 4th 2013 at 4:38:19 PM

It was Kongou-Kongou where I watched it.

Though it's always fun watching Haruna loosing 90 percent of her computing capacity due lack of coat.

PS: I wonder what effect will have anime on trope page, these differences between media can bring quite chaos.

kiukiuclk from 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693 Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: My TiMER is ticking
#125: Nov 4th 2013 at 7:55:51 PM

This was probably one of my favorite arcs in manga, so good to see it.

Pretty sure they got it wrong in the sub version I saw and the island is supposed to be Iwo Jima.

Shazam! <-creative translation I think..but awesome.

You know, I don't know if they every showed Haruna's feet in the manga. Turns out the coat does do all the way down to the floor. And I think she is taller in it. I missed Makies question the first time she put it on however. Did you shrink?

Ok, the mansion was actually funnier than in the manga. Did not expect that. They changed it a bit, but the stuff added in the mansion was an improvement and the stuff cut was no major loss. I think they cheeped out and didn't want to get Osakabe a voice actor. Not a huge loss IMHO and the end result is the same either way . I liked how they showed Makie when loading the warhead also.


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