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MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#101: Feb 18th 2017 at 8:47:05 AM

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I think the most interesting part of that clip was how the Terrans and Gamilas fleets rigidly stuck to a formation... and were getting slaughtered by the Gatlantis forces attacking from above and below. Compare this to the Yunagi, which I assume was being crewed by Yamato veterans, which didn't stick to the fleet doctrine.

EDIT:

Finally looked at the 2202 website, and the first thing I noticed was how both Katous (Satoru and Makoto) looked so sad. Then I read that their child, the one that Makoto was pregnant with at the end of 2199, was apparently dying of radiation disease. :(

edited 18th Feb '17 8:52:44 AM by MyssaRei

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#102: Feb 18th 2017 at 9:39:19 AM

...*waits for subtitles to be added*

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#103: Feb 19th 2017 at 12:29:44 AM

That intro... That ominous music... [awesome] x5

[up][up] Where's Fomt Berger when you need him? Big-ass, slow-moving fleet formations are juicy targets for area-of-effect superweapons. Berger aside, it's as if the Gamilans forgot about Domel's mobile tactics against the Gatlanteans. Ironic that it's Kodai and the former Yamato crew who were the only ones putting those tactics into practice.

Also, holy shit, that Gatlantean (super-?) dreadnought. (Does that ship class have a name? EDIT: Found out it's a Calakmul-class Battleship, according to the 2202 thread on Animesuki.) Kira Yamato must be green with envy with the Beam Spam that starship put out.

Serizawa, you son of a b***h. How are you still in command? Pray that the Gamilans don't find out about that fateful order you gave that started that Hopeless War in the first place...

Anyway, I also read that it'll be a seven-part release, so it's more or less a new season! Sweet!

[up] Aye, waiting for subtitles for the whole thing will be a pain... sad

EDIT: And one more thing... The previous preview of the first 12 minutes had a missing clip. This preview now restores the missing clip:

(Thanks again to the folks of that Animesuki thread.)

edited 21st Feb '17 8:16:46 AM by IncognitoNinja

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#104: Feb 25th 2017 at 3:26:22 AM

Pardon the double-post, but I have some good news and some bad news...

Good news: Premiere date for the second ''Yamato 2202'' film announced.

Bad news: No English subs for home video release of 2202.

On a different note, thanks to impatience for waiting for initial audience reactions (and subs) of Yamato 2202, I decided to find and check out the Comet Empire arc of the original series.

I didn't have an issue with how old the animation is, since I've watched (and liked) a couple of sci-fi anime that were from the same time period: Daimos and Voltes V.

However, I did have an issue with a certain character that the Yamato crew picks up—Space Cavalier/Cavalryman Hajime Saito. While his 2199 incarnation seems a bit calmer (but still a Boisterous Bruiser), I found the original series incarnation to be a Leeroy Jenkins with some lack of common sense—arguably to What An Idiot levels. I hope that Saito will be less of a Leeroy Jenkins in 2202. (Mikage Kiryu might help with that...)

That said, I'm starting to see some things in season 2 of the original series that are now Mythology Gags in 2199:

    To name a few... 
  • In the original series, Hajime Saito and his Space Cavaliers were picked up by the Yamato from an 11th planet on the fringes of the Solar System. Said planet contains ruins of an ancient advanced civilization. I wonder if that was the inspiration for the Akerians/Aquarians and that "11th Level" in the Ark Of The Stars movie?
  • General Bandevel—the Gamilas commander that gets vaporized by the Megaruda's Firestorm Direct Strike Cannon in the first few minutes of Ark of The Stars—has a more humiliating defeat at the hands of the Yamato in the original series' Comet Empire arc. Bandevel forgot about the metal-eating bacteria that was deployed to mess with the Yamato and that same bacteria messed with his assault carrier's weapons targeting systems just as he's about to finish the Yamato. When he makes the mistake of reporting to Desler, Desler responds in obvious fashion.
  • That stunt the Yamato pulled on Balun in 2199Note ? See episode 12 of the original series' second season, where they pull a similar stunt to get out of Dessler's electromagnetic flux trap inside a hollow asteroid. (The Yamato's Wave-Motion Gun doesn't destroy anything, though...)
  • And the music used in Ark Of The Stars where Kodai's group, Berger's group and Lorelei work together to reactivate the Shambleau? A remixed version of Teresa's Love Theme. (May double as Foreshadowing for 2202.)
Man, seeing a bit of the old series (and hearing its original musical scores) makes me appreciate the 2199 remake even more.

edited 25th Feb '17 3:28:55 AM by IncognitoNinja

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#105: Mar 11th 2017 at 9:27:37 AM

Sigh... Triple-post...

Anime-Now (ANN's spinoff/sister site) has a review/first impression of the Yamato 2202 film:

http://www.anime-now.com/entry/2017/03/04/000040

Looks like Teresa's message is now a telepathic vision sent to the former Yamato crew instead of the original series' energy burst that was only picked up by (and fried) communications equipment on the Yamato and on Earth.

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#106: Jun 17th 2017 at 9:06:41 PM

First 10 minutes of Yamato 2202's second movie (premiering June 24 in Japan):

Those hand-drawn scenes of the Yamato being refitted... Beautiful.

So the ruins on the 11th planet are actually Akerian/Aquarian in origin? (According to the contents of a tablet with a proposal to investigate the ruins—in both Japanese and English!) That's good reason enough for Terrans and Gamilans to establish a joint colony there. Also, who's the black-haired lady with the Hime Cut? A relative of Admiral Hijikata's?

We also get a bit of Planet Telezart's and Teresa's backstory from the Gamilan ambassador to Earth. I can't quite identify who's the Gatlantean commander of the fleet dispatched to Telezart, though. I might need a refresher from the original series.

Also, I managed to watch the first two episodes of Yamato 2202, though the fansubs I got were of gopnik quality (English translations of Russian fansubs of the show), so some things weren't translated well or got lost... Thankfully, there's now better English fansubs out there if you know where to look.

edited 17th Jun '17 9:11:51 PM by IncognitoNinja

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#107: Jun 18th 2017 at 4:15:17 PM

So, looking back on the whole "saving humanity" thing, and let's see the two options humanity had. The Izumo plan, which is "GTFO Earth and live somewhere else" and the one followed by the Yamato in the end. Both look pretty darn impossible, one way or another, but which one would you choose?

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#108: Jun 18th 2017 at 4:59:01 PM

[up]Both. If I were in their shoes, I would cover all of my bases and build two ships; one with the Cosmo drive to go to Iskander and rejuvenate the planet, and another normal ship to just GTFO and colonize another planet elsewhere. If one fails, the other still has a chance, and if they both succeed, congratulations, you've still got a human colony out there.

But if I had to choose, it would be the Izumo plan. Let's face it; trying to go all the way to the other end of the galaxy in the hopes that some alien world might just happen to have some magical planet restoring device that they would against all odds be willing to give us for free is a hell of a longshot. At least the Izumo plan has some realistic measure of success by comparison.

edited 18th Jun '17 5:00:05 PM by kkhohoho

KnightofLsama Since: Sep, 2010
#109: Jun 18th 2017 at 6:44:35 PM

[up] The problem was that there was a decent chance that the Izumo plan wouldn't work. There are a couple of lines scattered through 2199 that imply that the crew of the Yamato (and everyone back on Earth) thought that Gamilas was coming from somewhere in the Milky Way and heading further out would get away from them... except Gamilas was coming from outside the Milky Way and any attempts to evacuate in that direction wouldn't have worked.

There's also the issue that realistically the Izumo plan needs two ships. One to scout out a habitable world and another to actually transport at many people as possible. And the only had one Wave Motion Core and while they might have been able to reverse engineer it (2202 implies that the current ones had Gamilas technical assistance on that front), that means it can't be used for the scout ship, cutting the time limits even finer.

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#110: Jun 19th 2017 at 1:42:27 AM

I'm assuming Earth only had enough resources for one plan (most likely why Serizawa arranged for the Izumo Plan loyalists to be planted in the Yamato after his plan got shelved). And despite the slim chances, the Yamato did succeed in bringing back the Cosmo Reverser device.

But now that Earth is more or less rebuilt, if Earth's post-2199 government have foresight and want to avoid that similar scenario that led to humanity's near-extinction, the logical thing to do would be to jump-start a program to build warp-capable planetary expedition/colonization ships and send them to explore/colonize habitable worlds in the Milky Way. With armed ships as escorts, if needed.

IIRC, in the Yamato: Resurrection movie (the one with Kōichi Yamadera as Susumu Kodai), Earth had fleets of colony ships that were evacuating citizens to the planet Amarl in order to escape an incoming cascading black hole threatening Earth.

However, Earth's government in 2202 seems to have dedicated most of its resources into building space battleships first, with planetary colonization ships apparently being an afterthought now that the former enemy—Gamilas—is now an ally.

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KnightofLsama Since: Sep, 2010
#111: Jun 19th 2017 at 4:22:44 AM

I'm inclined to agree that insterstellar colony ships, or at least scouting for habitable worlds for future colonies would be a good idea. But it's entirely possible that's happening in the background. And while habitable worlds are fairly common the nearest one to Earth that we know of is Beemera and Earth was a distant, out of the way sideshow as far as Gamilas was concerned until Yamato started kicking ass and taking names. We don't know how thorough their maps of the area around Earth are. And if they're still in the survey stage and with the capability of building their own interstellar ships, they might have decided to hold off on the colony ships until they have more information.

There's also the fact that humanity's population took a real battering during the Gamilas war and that wouldn't have been undone by the Cosmo Reverse System. There might be the a resistance to spreading out the population until numbers have rebounded a bit, combined with some psychological resistance. Sort of "we just got Earth back to safe and livable and now you want me to leave? Get lost'' attitude that would hamper colonisation efforts.

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#112: Jun 20th 2017 at 7:00:20 PM

So, how do you think the people of Earth would talk about Okita after the return of the Yamato?

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#113: Jun 20th 2017 at 11:59:52 PM

[up] Depends on how much was declassified. And given that there doesn't seem to be any outcry against the construction of Andromeda and her sister ships, the answer is clearly "Not Everything".

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#114: Jun 21st 2017 at 7:49:21 PM

The big question is "will the people of Earth listen and won't get too trigger-happy with the most powerful WMD we ever had?"

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#115: Sep 2nd 2017 at 10:36:19 AM

New trailer for Yamato 2202's third filmNote :

What's worse than one Calakmul-class super-battleship? How about an entire fleet of them? Damn, they reminded me of the Zentraedi Main Fleet from the original Super Dimension Fortress Macross. I recall that the Yamato encountered at least five of those Calakmuls on their way to Telezart in the original series. And they went down like chumps after getting hit by a volley of the Yamato's Shock Cannons. But now, the Calakmul Took a Level in Badass in this reboot...

Man, I already can't wait for episodes 3 onward...

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#116: Sep 2nd 2017 at 4:05:49 PM

[up] Actually, regarding your note... they appear to have the main .com domain back now. It's been working for me, delivering an up to date version of the front page for the last two days on two different devices.

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#117: Sep 2nd 2017 at 9:42:24 PM

[up] Is that so? Nice to hear some good news for once. smile

Whoever hacked ANN was a total jacka**...

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#118: Sep 21st 2017 at 7:07:10 AM

Going back on track, I've managed to watch episodes 3 to 6, and man...the Holy Shit Quotient just goes up with each episode.

  • Episode 3: It turns out that using the Cosmo Reverse System had one side effect—a bubble of distorted space-time called a "Time Fault" where time seems to move much faster. It also explains how Earth seemed to have rebuilt so quickly and fielded a fleet of space battleships with wave motion guns in the short span of three years—10 years inside the Time Fault equals one year outside. And within that bubble, Earth (with assistance from Gamilas) built a huge military factory that churns out Andromeda-class and Class-D space battleships as well as the refitted versions of ships from before the Earth-Gamilas War.
  • Episode 4: Nooo! Mikage Kiryu stayed behind so the Yamato can launch! (*sighs*) So much for that idea of Mikage being the one to rein in the (possible) Leeroy Jenkins tendency of Hajime Saito... But I guess there's still hope since Saito has a (female) Warrant Officer named Nagakura whom he listens to.
  • Episode 5: The remade scene of the Yamato using asteroids as Improvised Armor manages to do justice to the original, not to mention there's a logical reason for that—the Wave Motion Shield took a while to fix and reactivate. Though I couldn't help but chuckle at the Hand Wave that the electromagnetic probes were originally equipment from the failed "Izumo Plan" mutiny and were ignored during the refit. On a different note, after seeing the original series, I couldn't help but go "Oh, Crap!" upon seeing Kato post that Fatal Family Photo of Makoto and Tsubasa on his plane's console.
  • Episode 6: The battle on the unnamed 11th planet is given a little more depth here, and WO Nagakura is the one who's sent out to get help. Also, I knew the Calakmul-class Took a Level in Badass, but damn! Six of them can focus their energy beams like the Death Star and make a giant Wave-Motion Gun! And there's more of those on the way if the next episode preview is any indication. (15,000 Calakmuls...yikes.)

Also, that black-haired woman with the Hime Cut seen at the 11th planet... Does she go by the name of Touko Katsuragi? While that sadly josses the idea of her being a relative of (retired) Admiral Hijikata... I have a hunch that she's actually Sabera in disguise since 1) she was raising her arms as if signalling before the Gatlanteans attacked, 2) she doesn't talk much (I guess so she won't draw attention to herself...but she's a looker), 3) Sabera hasn't appeared in Zordar's throne room lately, and 4) she's also voiced by Yūko Kaida.

And it's a long wait again for the next batch.

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#119: Sep 21st 2017 at 2:10:43 PM

I like the Gamillan Ambassador. "Oh, no? A leak? From us? How terrible. We will have to investigate!"

I have a soft spot for people who are able to deliver such a steaming pile of bullshit with a brazen smile

Also, wild mass guess time.

Theory: The whole Combining Death Laser Thing is not really a Tech the Gatlantis have, but its more of a Focus for the Emperor, who has either gotten his grabby hands on Teleztra, or might be from it (a Teleztran who decided Transencence was for suckers?), to use the same Will to Energy as a Wave Motio Gun.

Season 1 (+ movie) was a lot about how people on both sides of a bad war can be good and war is inherently a tragedy. The Gamillans were not Monsters, overall (I'm discounting their SS-equivalent) and peace eventually won out.

Season 2 seems to have a theme about slippery slopes and good intentions leading to becoming the monsters. It would make sense for the Gatlantis to be the Future Mirror of what Humanity could become if they go into that Wrong Future.

edited 21st Sep '17 2:48:03 PM by 3of4

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#120: Sep 21st 2017 at 6:42:03 PM

I remembered the older Yamato from when I was much younger and was rather pleased to see they had brought it back. This series was personally great for me. It was a overall a fun soft sci-fi series and even some of the folks in the Sci-Fi threads with penchant for hard sci-fi find it rather enjoyable.

I definitely enjoyed the spectacle and art style of the series.

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#121: Oct 9th 2017 at 12:38:19 AM

First 10 minutes of the third film (available for viewing until November 3):

So Sabera's the one playing the Comet Empire Theme on the pipe organ... [lol]

Also, since she's back in Zordar's throne room, that slightly josses the idea that Touko Katsuragi is Sabera in disguise. BUT... What if Sabera has clones of herself that do spywork for her? The Gatlanteans here have been shown to be very advanced in the field of genetic engineering, so it's not too far-fetched of them to clone Femme Fatale spies to infiltrate and subvert worlds that the Comet Empire wants to conquer.

That flagship Calakmul... (*drools*) And speaking of which, (from what I can understand from the trailer and what happened in the previous episode) while six of them are enough to crack a planet's crust with their giant combined Wave-Motion Gun, 15,000 of them could create an even bigger Wave Motion Gun that could vaporize a planet from a long distance—in this case...Earth.

EDIT: And some news on the fourth film.

Also, having seen the original series, might as well nitpick this:

The Yamato also reaches Telezart after many trials, but a defense fleet led by Gorand, as well as survival land war division are waiting for them.
ANN got it right that Admiral Gorand/Goland commands the Gatlantean fleet orbiting Telezart. However, their mention/mistranslation(?) of "survival land war division" might refer to General Zavival/Zurvival who does lead the ground troops occupying Telezart.

edited 21st Oct '17 8:09:14 AM by IncognitoNinja

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#123: Nov 3rd 2017 at 5:39:19 PM

So, will they keep the original names, or will they use the ones in Starblazers?

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#124: Nov 4th 2017 at 2:24:40 PM

[up] It looks like Funimation is following the same strategy as Resident Evil 7: Biohazard and Akumajō Dracula: Castlevania and are sort of merging the two equally recognized names into one, thus giving us:

Star Blazers: Space Battleship Yamato 2199

Though based on the description Funi's given, it looks like the ship itself will stick with being the Yamato as opposed to the Argo:

The power-hungry Gamilas have taken over Earth, and only a distant planet has the key to save humans from extinction. Granted the schematics of a high-powered engine, the Space Battleship Yamato is built to traverse the galaxy and retrieve hope for their survival. Battling extraterrestrial forces along the way, the crew of the Yamato will stop at nothing to save their home.

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#125: Nov 5th 2017 at 7:40:16 AM

Funimation is really unlikely to stick to the original dub names anyway, if they can get away with it. Because while there is a nostalgia market for Star Blazers, it isn't very big and a lot of the people potentially in it are fans of Starblazers from when they were kids...and then watched no other anime and have no idea that a reboot even happened. There's no easy way to even tell those people that 2199 exists. There's more of a fanbase who watched the subbed version of 2199 and who have never seen the original stuff. Also, maybe people who saw the 2010 movie, because that apparently sold pretty well for Funimation.

I'm surprised the Funimation thing took this long, but I guess that the production committee wasn't happy with the way Voyager massively dropped the ball on the NA release. Voyager Entertainment's basically been floating along on Star Blazers money for decades (they've literally never licensed non-Yamato stuff) while constantly talking about how guaranteed a success it is, but they barely even tried with 2199.

edited 5th Nov '17 9:32:32 AM by Zendervai


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