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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#1: Aug 10th 2012 at 11:00:13 PM

So, this is essentially a reshoot of the original with a few new characters added so we don't have the same four dudes working the entire ship. Also, it's fucking gorgeous and the Type 3 ammunition is hilariously overpowered for being old school AP technology.

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#2: Aug 10th 2012 at 11:07:35 PM

The female to male ratio is certainly better than the first series, though I have to wonder if any of the older fans are confused that one of the MALE fighter pilots is now a girl in this installment. The BIG question here is whether all those cute girls survive to the end of the voyage, given Yamato's Kill Them All tendencies.

Anyway, the running discussion on the series in Asuki. The most active posters (Wild Goose, Ithekro, and Roger Rambo) are all big Yamato nuts, so it can get a little confusing when the references to old series start flying, but very informative, as one of the techs who handles the official subbing for the B Rs also drops by to post every so often.

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#3: Aug 11th 2012 at 12:38:29 AM

Definitely gonna give this one a go, I haven't watched the first series in its entirety and I've forgotten a lot of the details anyway.

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#4: Aug 11th 2012 at 1:24:32 AM

It's up to about six eps in the usual places. So far, I think the pacing is better as is the character balance (the original felt too much like the main pilot was the only one allowed to do anything, but I should note I only got about eight or nine eps in). I like that they've put enough detail in that we can see stuff on the ship and what not. There's still some issues I dislike such as the Earth fleet being holywtfpwned so quickly considering the Yamatos weapons, besides the BFG, being so friggin' effective, but that was in the original too.

edited 19th Aug '12 4:52:49 PM by Deboss

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#5: Aug 19th 2012 at 3:33:19 PM

Never got around to watch the original (its on the list...) but watched the available ones a few days back and was hooked. More please waii

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#6: Aug 19th 2012 at 4:53:58 PM

So, any opinions on their unwillingness to use the Wave-Motion Gun on Pluto? I felt that a time limit on the gun would have been the better way to do it myself. However, I'm quite open about my willingness to cause massive destruction to protect myself.

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MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#7: Aug 19th 2012 at 4:59:18 PM

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Not familiar with the original (or rather it's been SO LONG since I last watched the equivalent Star Blazers episode), but the reasoning behind the reluctance to do so makes sense. Lets remember the fact that once the gun is fired, the Yamato is dead in space for several minutes. What would happen if they fired at the WRONG place?

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#8: Aug 19th 2012 at 5:10:35 PM

I don't think they've actually said that in the new series, but I might have missed it. If it were true, it would make perfect tactical sense to me. "We shouldn't blow up a planet the enemy is occupying because it's wrong," is not something I consider tactically sound. I'd also accuse the person saying it of being a dirty hippy and fire the gun anyway.

I do consider it a proud moment in (fictional) human history that when aliens send us a way to build an FTL drive, the first thing we do is figure out how to turn it into a gun.

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MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#9: Aug 19th 2012 at 5:38:21 PM

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You misunderstand. The Gamilus base's location could not be ascertained at first, and in fact there were several different locations scattered across Pluto. That was the reason why the fighters were launched in the first place. If they fired at the WRONG place, then the Yamato was defenseless.

And this isn't even considering the fact that, in THIS iteration of Yamato, they were worried that the Wave Motion Gun was powerful enough to destroy Pluto entirely.

edited 19th Aug '12 5:42:05 PM by MyssaRei

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#10: Aug 19th 2012 at 5:41:46 PM

Amusingly, after the first time they used it in the original series they were relatively unconcerned about all the people they just fried, and more concerned with the fact that they almost killed themselves through careless use of the WMG.

MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#11: Aug 19th 2012 at 5:53:24 PM

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Actually I'm surprised that the people here so far haven't pointed out one of the more noticeable aspects of 2199: we have an additional space sister this time around, Yurisha (who was sent ahead with the actual engine plans). There's some circumstancial evidence that point to Yuki/Nova being her this time around, instead of being in the capsule in the sealed hold.

Personally I found it hilarious in hindsight, as if Yuki IS Yurisha, then this means that the Kodai brothers have the same taste in women now.

EDIT:Well that, and Akira Yamamoto is now a woman, heh.

edited 19th Aug '12 6:04:10 PM by MyssaRei

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#12: Aug 19th 2012 at 6:04:32 PM

That's my point. If the WMG could cause severe destruction on Pluto (it doesn't even have to be a series of asteroids, you just need to crack that planetoid open) then they should have fired on it. It's just a planet in enemy territory, and a crappy one at that. However, if they would have been defenseless, then it makes perfect sense to do as much damage to the base first. However, I'm surprised they didn't try to fire the Type 3 ammo earlier and just shell all of the locations.

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#13: Aug 19th 2012 at 6:11:24 PM

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Someone in Asuki (Roger Rambo I think) said that the range of Terran guns has always been an issue. The fact is, the Yamato just doesn't have the range for its main guns to bombard the planet from a distance, never mind hit all possible base targets simultaenously. Also I was under the impression that Type 3 ammo was limited — indeed, the ship used Shock Cannons for the entirety of the Pluto attack, besides the missiles of course.

edited 19th Aug '12 6:12:07 PM by MyssaRei

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#14: Aug 19th 2012 at 7:09:35 PM

In the new one, they used Type 3 with a timed detonator. You can see them hitting and counting down just before the final firing of the laser cannon. In space, kinetic energy weapons have no range limit against stationary targets. Unless the Gamies have some kind of decent CIWS, unlike most series which tend to use Point Defenseless.

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Scherzo09 Revy Gonna Give It To Ya from Roanapur Since: Jul, 2010
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#15: Feb 2nd 2013 at 10:19:27 PM

Never saw the original before and have been watching Yamato 2199. I have to say I'm rather liking it so far. Skimming through some episodes of the original as I watch the remake, I really appreciate how the new one's 'un-derped' aspects of the original. It sort of reminds me of what I like about UC Gundam when it's not being pretentious and full of itself.

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Scherzo09 Revy Gonna Give It To Ya from Roanapur Since: Jul, 2010
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#16: Feb 3rd 2013 at 11:06:59 AM

Also have to wonder if they incorporated any of the real-life Modernizations the USN did to the Iowas in the 1980s into this Yamato's design; like for example I can see that there are VLS pods on this one.

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#17: Feb 3rd 2013 at 6:12:10 PM

I don't think they count as VLS in space.

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Scherzo09 Revy Gonna Give It To Ya from Roanapur Since: Jul, 2010
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#18: Feb 3rd 2013 at 6:13:05 PM

[up]Why not? They launch vertically, as opposed to Horizontally like the torpedo tubes. You can see the VLS pods in the Yamato's funnel.

edited 3rd Feb '13 6:13:22 PM by Scherzo09

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#19: Feb 4th 2013 at 12:28:11 AM

[up] I think it was a reference to up and down in space being entirely relative concepts. It's just as easy to say that the Wave-Motion Gun points 'up' and the missiles launch horizontally.

Scherzo09 Revy Gonna Give It To Ya from Roanapur Since: Jul, 2010
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#20: Feb 4th 2013 at 12:46:47 AM

[up]Well it's vertical within regards to the plane of the ship, as opposed to its torpedo tubes. Regardless, it's rather pedantic though, it obviously has VLS cells.

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Scherzo09 Revy Gonna Give It To Ya from Roanapur Since: Jul, 2010
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#21: Feb 4th 2013 at 12:52:19 AM

Unrelated, I think this really ought to have its own trope page because while it is in broad strokes following the original; it's in a lot of ways very different and I think it's significant enough to warrant it.

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KnightofLsama Since: Sep, 2010
#22: Feb 4th 2013 at 5:46:58 PM

[up] Actually I agree that it should probably have its own page. I've never seen the original in its entirety so I can't make direct comparisons but I've been watching it with friends who have and they've been commenting on both the similarities and the differences.

The one thing both of them have commented on rather pointedly is how the changes that have been made have, up to this point, smoothed out the plot and reduced some of the inconsistencies that came about in the original.

MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#23: Feb 4th 2013 at 7:27:30 PM

We have rather long-running thread over at Asuki about Yamato 2199, and one of the usual posters is actually part of the team putting the US subs for the BR releases. You can ask around for comparisons to the original (Ithekro in particular can compare even the movies and the GAME timelines) if you need help.

Scherzo09 Revy Gonna Give It To Ya from Roanapur Since: Jul, 2010
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#24: Feb 4th 2013 at 8:39:55 PM

[up][up]It just feels like a very different beast. It probably isn't to the same extent as the 2010 Live Action movie, but it definitely has vibes from the Battlestar Galactica reboot, with a dash of the Light-hearted fun-ness of Abrams' Star Trek 2009.

edited 4th Feb '13 8:41:21 PM by Scherzo09

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Scherzo09 Revy Gonna Give It To Ya from Roanapur Since: Jul, 2010
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#25: Feb 4th 2013 at 11:53:40 PM

It's kinda weird how everywhere people go on about how closely this hews to the original, and that the main difference is the graphical fidelity. Sure in broad strokes its the same plot and several scenarios are taken directly from episodes, but the way things are going it does seem to be it's own beast. Even from the beginning it wasn't like say Evangelion 1.0, which was upwards of 90% Shot for Shot remakes of that original series first 6 episodes.

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