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I saw no thread for it, which led me to think that I should start one, so... tada, I guess?


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Edited by Mrph1 on Aug 16th 2024 at 1:55:14 PM

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
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#12176: Aug 18th 2025 at 10:16:13 AM

Creating AI slop and waiting for money to start coming in, isn't something that will make anyone sympathetic to you.

Maybe if he bothered with quality over quantity, thing would be different and 300 USD in ads is really nothing.

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#12177: Aug 18th 2025 at 11:20:16 AM

I'd imagine these people were either very lazy, very desperate, or both.

that's the thing with get rich quick schemes, there's a sucker born every minute, but they won't be the ones getting profit off of them.

I'm sure YT and OpenAI still appreciates the money wasted on those foolish investments though.

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#12178: Aug 18th 2025 at 12:12:18 PM

That does give me a bit of hope that generative ai really is in a bubble.

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#12179: Aug 18th 2025 at 12:15:44 PM

its an generative bubble designed by AI that looked at fads and trends and tried to replicate the results..

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Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#12180: Aug 18th 2025 at 12:22:15 PM

That specific use of AI (churning out automated videos and pictures by the dozen) is probably a bubble at least. Once the novelty wears off, all that’ll be left is the negative image, especially now that a lot of people can spot the AI a mile away.

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#12181: Aug 18th 2025 at 12:26:26 PM

Think it'll be enough to turn large corporations away from it?

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#12182: Aug 18th 2025 at 12:27:07 PM

Well, I can hope.

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#12183: Aug 18th 2025 at 12:38:25 PM

It'll only crash when the 2nd and 3rd order clients where the AI products are being sold mass realize they aren't gaining anything from them that the bubble will start cracking.

And even then it'll always have weird use cases where creative forces are just not valued because the product itself isn't meant to draw users but fill space. Stuff like commercials, mobile game slop, music for malls/elevators/commercials/phone systems.

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#12184: Aug 18th 2025 at 12:40:31 PM

Thing is, when it crashes, we're having a recession.

Don't believe me? An article from La Repubblica, quoting other sources, states that current growth of US stocks has been largely driven by AI companies, and that GDP growth of the USA has been driven half by AI companies this year alone. Factor in that it'll also drag with it the Chip Bubble and the Electric Car Bubble (please, please, please)...

For those who remember the Dot Com and Housing Bubbles, this is going to be worse

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#12185: Aug 18th 2025 at 12:43:03 PM

[up]Is that conflating generative AI with other kinds of AI though?

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#12186: Aug 18th 2025 at 12:43:09 PM

Oh, absolutely. I work in IT and it's hard to describe how hard AI is being pushed with frankly very little benefits. It's pushed to C-Suite executives accompanied by buzzwords and no real on the field functionality.

When it crashes it'll take a lot of stuff down.

[up]Is that conflating generative AI with other kinds of AI though?

It's mostly generative AI, but because everything is getting labelled as AI, its gonna have knock down effects to other AI stuff that's not directly related and may even be functional or useful. But by and large generative AI is what's driving the current boom.

Edited by Ghilz on Aug 18th 2025 at 3:45:47 PM

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#12187: Aug 18th 2025 at 12:50:15 PM

As said above, everything is being conflated with generative and/or assistance AI. Other uses of AI are too niche to really hold up the market as is.

Not all sectors are being it by the AI craze — I have some insider info on microelectronics (who make the stuff on which AI runs on), and they're not pushing it at all because it's useless to them. They are complaining that due to the AI bubble everybody is jumping into software and ignoring hardware, which is going to lead to a catastrophe later down the line.

The car sector is also pushing AI everywhere ("Here's your new, on-board AI with voice commands!" ...Just give me buttons.), which is driving car prices up.

I've also seen the music sector being infected by this generative AI mania.

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Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#12188: Aug 18th 2025 at 12:53:57 PM

It's pushed to C-Suite executives accompanied by buzzwords and no real on the field functionality.

Huh… it really does sound like the NFT and crypto trend in some ways…

Still, is there a surefire way of telling that a video is auto-generated? I often see comments on historical videos with maps and stuff crying AI, but sometimes I’m like "Uh, is it?"

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#12189: Aug 18th 2025 at 12:58:43 PM

Not easily. You have to look at telltale signs, like words being weird or wrong, strange perspective.

But it depends really on what AI the person used and if they did anything with the output.

Huh… it really does sound like the NFT and crypto trend in some ways…

The thing is Crypto and NFT never found something to echo with most execs. AI promises it'll cut your staff and just print money from the data your company has. And at least the former is really appealing to C-Suites because that's something they understand fundamentally.

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#12190: Aug 18th 2025 at 1:05:07 PM

Should be precise and say it's upper management who wants this kind of "money-saving" garbage without understanding they're not saving money, they'll be footing the power bill and the environmental damage later. Middle management detests this because it gets in the way of running the company properly (and also puts their own jobs at risks because clueless upper management thinks that an AI can manage a company just as well...)

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#12191: Aug 18th 2025 at 2:43:12 PM

Huh… it really does sound like the NFT and crypto trend in some ways…

Sort of. The main problem with NFT's and crypto is that fundamentally they did not have a very wide appeal and didn't have much to offer the average person.

Generative AI is detestable for a lot of reasons (often uncanny/unappealing results, being exploitatively made from the hard work of creatives with the intent to replace them so companies can make even more money than they already do, etc) but it's not difficult to see what the appeal is for executives, and honestly while I don't think AI by itself is a *positive* for people I'm also not convinced that the average audience would care if something is AI made as long as they found the end result appealing enough.

This is why I unfortunately don't think genAI will completely disappear, even if it's eventually just monopolized by huge companies like disney who have a wide enough catalogue of material that they own to train AI from.

(This is even before getting to AI more broadly which has much more diverse and actually useful applications compared to the cryptosphere, though the vast majority of them as I understand it are limited to scientific/technical/industrial fields and not something that consumers directly interact with.)

Insofar as youtube goes, i've been fortunate enough to mostly have stayed clear of AI slop, and I think even youtube themselves have talked about how they plan to do something to curtail it, so I don't think it has much of a shelf life to speak of.

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#12192: Aug 18th 2025 at 3:33:15 PM

From what I've seen, general audiences seem to check out general generative ai for the novelty, but don't seem to be particularly clamoring for it. I've also seen backlash to games and videos made using it.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#12193: Aug 18th 2025 at 5:22:24 PM

It's not hard to understand "genAI is plagiarism, plagiarism is bad," especially when the end result is crap. As noted, if the end result was 100% indistinguishable, maybe the general public wouldn't care as much, but so far "AI generated" is shorthand for "terrible slop trying to make a quick buck."

The fact that there are all sorts of shitty things being labeled AI right now (not all of which are actually particularly related to genAI) means that people also hate it by association to all those other things. "Oh, this game was made by the same thing that told me to eat drywall? Yeah, I'm not trusting it."

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#12194: Aug 18th 2025 at 7:01:15 PM

With regards to Gen-AI...there are non-cynical uses for it. For example, this video:

This video is AI-generated, and it's also quite good.

Having said that, the problem with Gen-AI with Youtube is primarily that it makes it very easy to make low-effort content en masse. Which is to say, it's perfect for content mills.

I've contemplated that a possible solution is actually to limit the amount of videos that a single individual can post within a certain amount of time, or at least charge a fee after a certain point. In theory, this would force people to prioritize quality over quantity.

I'm unsure if that's actually good solution, and I also imagine the guys in suits wouldn't love it either, but it's what comes to my mind.

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#12195: Aug 18th 2025 at 7:07:00 PM

That one would disproportionately impact channels that upload shorter videos (such as covers of single songs), with minimal effects on those that upload longer videos (such as six hour playlists of random AI music).

I mean, it doesn't matter what the correct solution is, YouTube will find the worst way to implement it. Last I checked, they still haven't implemented two factor authentication, meaning there are minimal barriers to people losing their entire channels and with it their entire livelihoods.

Edited by Discar on Aug 18th 2025 at 7:07:16 AM

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#12196: Aug 18th 2025 at 11:00:14 PM

It's not hard to understand "genAI is plagiarism, plagiarism is bad,"

It is quite difficult to understand, because there's no scenario where it's plagiarism with such shaky ground for the claim, especially when there's a far stronger claim on far more popular stuff being plagiarism and legally IP violations that should attract similar amounts of ire but that simply don't. (Reaction videos, lets plays, and essentially all fan content, among other things, are by most definitions IP violating and plagiarism.)

Youtube is built almost entirely on stuff that if pressed would probably be found to be in violation of IP law, but generative tools are under current law quite unlikely to be found as such (collage without specific intent has already been found to be protected (some years ago), and the machines do something that's, for now, more legally distinct from the source than collage.)

I mean with major IP holders apparently thinking they can expand the law yet again to even more absurd extents and start purging online library systems and a group of pro-copyright expansion people who think it'll protect them and not just make Disney and other large companies a billion dollars cheering this on, maybe that'll change, and it will be for the significantly worse, but as precedent currently stands, this position is not supported.

Like it can be asserted that these videos are low quality, (in most cases this wouldn't be wrong) or that people are being ridiculous when they imagine they can succeed in such a saturated market when they don't have first mover advantage, but it's very difficult to argue for the IP violation or ethical case mattering, particularly in the context of Youtube, which is built almost entirely around violations of IP law as it exists, and how weak the case is for the particular tools in question being in violation relative to everything else on youtube.

HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#12197: Aug 19th 2025 at 5:49:01 AM

Yeah I think part of the reason a lot of those channels aren't doing well is because they're just content mills. Content mills certainly can be successful, but they need to hit on something people actually like watching, and they need to get boosted by the algorithm. And if these people are putting even less effort into their videos than a lot of existing content mills are, success is unlikely. And of course, there's always something of a luck element (regardless of quality).

And let's not get too off-topic here, there is a separate AI thread for any such conversations.

king15 Have Faun Since: Mar, 2024
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#12198: Aug 19th 2025 at 5:54:48 AM

That reminds me of this video:

It compares a low-effort automated AI channel to a low-effort, human-made channel. Turns out it's not as easy as you might think to get huge views with this. I'd give this video a try as he's quite evenhanded and it's really interesting to watch.

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#12199: Aug 19th 2025 at 5:56:43 AM

[up] Was there a significant difference?

king15 Have Faun Since: Mar, 2024
Have Faun
#12200: Aug 19th 2025 at 6:01:44 AM

The AI channel did slightly better, but it still wasn't feasible as a way of making money. And it's compare low-effort AI slop to low-effort human slop, human content with a bit more effort would probably receive more views and subscribers overall.


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