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Nov 19th 2020 at 1:48:07 PM

[up]That's the problem. This is Youtube putting ads on peoples videos against their will and taking all the money. It's literal theft.

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Lost in Space
Nov 19th 2020 at 2:18:32 PM

We have different definitions of theft. Nobody is entitled to any revenue from their videos unless they are enrolled in the Partner program.

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Nov 19th 2020 at 2:25:10 PM

There's also the problem of of creators not wanting to monetize videos videos for one reason or another. Now Youtube can just do it for them against their wishes.

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from a handcart heading to Hell Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
Nov 19th 2020 at 5:30:56 PM

Yeah by the sound of it this also means that Partner Program members who don’t want to put ads on a particular video are potentially going to have ads forced on that video, which may well effect their livelihood if the video is inappropriate for ads and they loose viewers as a result.

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Lost in Space
Nov 19th 2020 at 5:31:23 PM

YT said they wouldn't put their own ads on videos that would not normally be eligible for them due to content.

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RainingMetal from Eagleland Canada Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Nov 19th 2020 at 5:35:37 PM

What about users who don't want to monetize their videos, period? Or do those people apparently no longer exist?

Waifu fans need a life(u).
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from a handcart heading to Hell Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
Nov 19th 2020 at 5:43:31 PM

Sure but a video can still be inappropriate for ads while meeting You Tube’s content standards. I find it frustrating when sponsored videos have ads on them, channel update videos likewise, I don’t watch anyone who does stuff stupid enough to merit a public apology, but that’s another category where it’s inappropriate to put ads but the content meets the standards for ads, hell I’m sure some YouTubers have at times had to put out videos announcing a death, who wants ads on that?

If nothing else You Tube should put something at the front of the video telling viewers that You Tube put the ads there, not the content creator.

Also it’s not like people are asking for the site to be ad free, You Tube already puts ads on the pages for the video, same as we do here, they’re already getting their money without forcing mid-roll ads onto videos about sensitive subjects.

Edited by Silasw on Nov 19th 2020 at 1:45:43 PM

"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran
Nov 19th 2020 at 5:44:04 PM

At the end of the day, they're the ones paying for the servers, and videos are massive. There's a reason all the competitors are dead or dying. It's really a miracle (and/or a deep-pocketed long con) it's as "gratis" as it is.

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Nov 19th 2020 at 8:45:36 PM

Not to rain on this party, but as I understand it this applies only to videos that would not otherwise be monetized, typically because they are too short or because the uploader of the video has not become a You Tube Partner. If the uploader is eligible for monetization already, nothing changes.

So YouTube is perfectly happy to make money off those individuals' labour, but if those individuals want to make money off their labour they need to prove to YouTube that they deserve to make money off their labour by performing more labour off which YouTube can make money.

Look, if they want to put ads on every video, fine, but if they do they should give the uploader the same revenue cut they do people in YPP.

[up] It's because YT is owned by Google, and Google have, to a first approximation, all the dollars. Yes, YT has to pay for servers somehow, and they're perfectly entitled to try and make a profit. What they don't get to do is what I described two sentences ago.

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Nov 19th 2020 at 9:32:33 PM

So YouTube is perfectly happy to make money off those individuals' labour, but if those individuals want to make money off their labour they need to prove to YouTube that they deserve to make money off their labour by performing more labour off which YouTube can make money.

Well... yes. Essentially, it's a book publisher and a press-for-hire that happen to share the same front door. Both of these have spent their money on the same apparatus, but the former, expecting to make money, pays out, whereas the latter takes money from those the former won't touch. In the day there was a market for both. You may see it as "labor," but loads of people post videos for the hell of it, and without Youtube, they wouldn't be able to, so who is it doing the labor? (Rhubarb rhubarb Tom Sawyer.)

Edited by TwinBird on Nov 19th 2020 at 12:34:00 PM

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Nov 19th 2020 at 10:31:43 PM

"YT said they wouldn't put their own ads on videos that would not normally be eligible for them due to content."

You are making some mighty assumptions on behalf of yt bots being able to do this correctly.

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VampireBuddha Hungry dinosaur from Ireland Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Hungry dinosaur
Nov 20th 2020 at 12:14:19 PM

but loads of people post videos for the hell of it, and without Youtube, they wouldn't be able to, so who is it doing the labor?

The people who make the videos. Just because you do something for fun doesn't mean it isn't work. I've tried my hand at video editing myself, and it's much harder than it looks. Just trying to get the footage to line up correctly takes real effort, not to mention getting the sound to sync. Videos are made by people performing labour, and YT is looking to profit off that labour without paying anything to the people who made it.

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from a handcart heading to Hell Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
Nov 20th 2020 at 1:46:21 PM

It’s not even looking to profit, it already profits (you still get sidebar ads on non-monetised videos), it’s looking to increase its profits at the direct expense of the creators (by making their creation lower quality).

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Lost in Space
Nov 20th 2020 at 1:52:04 PM

Running ads = making a video lower quality? Good luck proving that in court, or getting a lawyer to take it up.

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Adannor from effin' belarus Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Nov 20th 2020 at 2:10:28 PM

Well yes, forcing an interruption in the middle of a video is making it worse.

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Nov 20th 2020 at 3:58:11 PM

Its an inconvenience to the viewer but it does not effect the product values of the video

Edited by Ultimatum on Nov 20th 2020 at 11:58:27 AM

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Lyendith I'm not insane, I'm not… not insane! from Bègles, France Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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Nov 20th 2020 at 5:37:23 PM

An interesting (?) video about what’s commonly known as "the vocal fry", which has apparently become weirdly prevalent among American women − and some men.

Apparently that’s often the result of women trying to speak with an overly deep voice to sound more reliable and charismatic (it also used to be seen as posh among British men). According to one study it doesn’t seem like it works all that well though. Well, for women, because for men it doesn’t change anything.

Edited by Lyendith on Nov 20th 2020 at 3:00:08 PM

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Nov 20th 2020 at 6:27:43 PM

With doesn't work with men, with other women, or just in general?

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Lyendith I'm not insane, I'm not… not insane! from Bègles, France Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
I'm not insane, I'm not… not insane!
Nov 20th 2020 at 6:55:02 PM

The video just mentions that "according to at least one study, women who speak with vocal fry are seen as less competent". It doesn’t specify by whom, but I supposed it refers to employers?

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from a handcart heading to Hell Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
Nov 21st 2020 at 6:34:53 AM

Running ads = making a video lower quality?

If people have paid the content creator to not put ads on the video (as people do do via Patreon) or if it damages a content creator’s reputation by ads to appear on the video (because it’s an apology video for something they did), that’s before to get to how unplanned mid roll ads can reduce a videos quality. There are You Tube and Twitch channels I don’t watch anymore because the contact mid roll ads at random times make the content poor quality.

Edited by Silasw on Nov 21st 2020 at 2:57:00 PM

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Lost in Space
Nov 21st 2020 at 6:45:50 AM

I haven't seen a YT ad in years thanks to paying for Premium (setting aside in-video sponsorships and promotions). In terms of time saved it's probably one of my best investments ever. If you don't want to pay for it one way, you'll pay for it another.

All of these complaints about ads make me want to Dope Slap people and remind them that this shit ain't free and Google isn't running a charity for folks to upload cat videos and apologize for being dicks.

Apology videos... all I have to say about that is that everyone should play the Jacksfilms Apology Game. "Sorry for being a Nazi; please keep buying my merch."

Edited by Fighteer on Nov 21st 2020 at 9:50:49 AM

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from a handcart heading to Hell Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
Nov 21st 2020 at 7:03:41 AM

Did you miss me explaining how the request isn’t that the site be ad free or are you just ignoring it for the convenience of your strawman?

There is a huge difference between saying “I think the ads should be in a way that avoid serious inconvenience and ensures the content is still enjoyable” (what I’ve been saying the entire time) and saying “Why ads?! Me want free stuff!” (your strawman you’ve built because you’re refusing to differentiate between the argument I'm making and the one you’ve heard before from entitled shits who don’t want to ever disable Adblock).

If you don't want to pay for it one way, you'll pay for it another.

Paying for it once is different from paying for it twice.

Edited by Silasw on Nov 21st 2020 at 3:04:49 PM

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VampireBuddha Hungry dinosaur from Ireland Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Hungry dinosaur
Nov 21st 2020 at 7:15:29 AM

[up][up]Ads are annoying but I can tolerate them as a necessary evil. My objection is that YT is going to be making money off videos which people made, but the people who made those videos are not going to receive the money which their videos bring in. YPP already exists for income splitting, so there's no reason they can't put everyone into YPP and share the money; that would be ethical. If anyone hasn't provided payment details, hold that person's money in escrow until they do.

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RainingMetal from Eagleland Canada Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Nov 21st 2020 at 7:17:33 AM

I prefer the means of funding through the likes of Patreon, where fans can donate out of their own volition. And I know not everyone can pitch in, but it beats surrendering to Youtube's increasingly draconian practices. I'll play the World's Smallest Violin to those who always accuse of those using adblock as the scum of the earth and bitch about it. Those kinds of people make me want to justify using Adblockers even more. Youtubers I respect upload videos as a hobby, not for a paycheck.

Hell, there isn't much of an option to do this on mobile devices, and I often listen/watch via phone at work, so I'd say that's doing my share as a viewer.

And if sponsorship interruptions aren't going to be skipped by Youtube Premium, then the entire point of it has already been defeated. Why pay for something if it doesn't do something right? And if they offer something on top of that if it does skip sponsorships, there's going to be yet another means of whoring out to advertise, repeating the cycle over and over, because they're entitled to the big bucks.

Edited by RainingMetal on Nov 21st 2020 at 10:24:34 AM

Waifu fans need a life(u).
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Lost in Space
Nov 21st 2020 at 7:59:56 AM

[up] Sponsorships are in the video itself. You can scrub through them, although I derive some amusement from seeing how ridiculous they can get for some creators. Ryan George in particular makes them very entertaining.

[up][up][up] It's not a strawman. Nobody is losing anything - these videos weren't monetized anyway. The creators wouldn't be getting ad revenue one way or the other. Okay, you're losing "time" being forced to watch the ads. Boo hoo.

Edited by Fighteer on Nov 21st 2020 at 11:15:46 AM

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