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I saw no thread for it, which led me to think that I should start one, so... tada, I guess?


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Edited by Mrph1 on Aug 16th 2024 at 1:55:14 PM

VampireBuddha Calendar enthusiast from Ireland (Wise, aged troper) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#5576: Jan 14th 2020 at 12:43:48 PM

Stadia is a game shop from Google. Steam, GOG, itch.io., Epic, Humble Bundle, Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo sell games through an online shop which you then download to your local computer, all very sensible like.

With Stadia, in contrast, the entire game stays on Google's servers and the footage is streamed to your computer instead. Yes, it's a streaming service. When we first heard about it, we thought it would be a Netflix-like service but for video games, an idea which does have some merit to it. But no. You don't pay a flat monthly fee and get to play everything that's there. Instead, you buy each game individually, but it's still streamed from Google's server instead of being downloaded locally. This is stupid.

Shamus Young has talked about this a bit. Google's big selling point is that it works on any computer with sufficient screen resolution - PCs, tablets, smartphones, and probably some of the fancier graphing calculators, but as Shamus points out, the big AAA games available on Stadia are the type that aren't suited to being played for a few minutes on a phone. I like this quote:

It’s supposedly for people who want to play AAA games but don’t have access to AAA hardware. It’s for people who are into hardcore games but don’t mind an unavoidable baseline of input lag. It’s for people who can’t afford a $400 console but can afford to buy games at full price and pay an additional $120 every single year. It’s for people who have lots of devices who somehow don’t own any dedicated gaming hardware. Most of all, it’s for people who have no memory of On Live’s failure or who are happy to buy games that will vanish into the ether if the exact same idea fails again.

Stadia is for casual gamers who are into hardcore titles and poor people with lots of disposable income. This is a service for nobody, and it makes no sense.

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#5577: Jan 16th 2020 at 11:53:32 AM

Get Ready for Adpocalypse 3.0 (or is it 6.0)

Youtube adds of 100 top brands are being played alongside videos of Climate Denial and Climate misinformation, providing finances to such group. Firms are unaware their ads are playing alongside those videos.

How long before Google Overcorrects and the word climate or weather causes you to be demonetized?

Edited by Ghilz on Jan 16th 2020 at 2:57:35 PM

Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#5578: Jan 16th 2020 at 12:07:28 PM

[up][up], [up][up][up][up] So you buy games but you don't own them? Genius. [lol]

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#5579: Jan 16th 2020 at 12:11:35 PM

[up]I should point out you down own the games you buy on steam or most downloadable places either. Read the TOS. You're buying a "Licence to a software".

Its why a game can be pulled and made unavailable from those services.

Edited by Ghilz on Jan 16th 2020 at 3:12:00 PM

Adannor (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#5580: Jan 16th 2020 at 12:55:08 PM

Well, it's more the aspect that you have to double-buy games that you already likely to own (as Stadia is pulling from popular titles) and even if you're just getting into it, the shop doesn't have the usually ubiquitous discounts on older games. On the technical level, the level of ownership is the same (low) as it is on other DRM platforms. It is only made worse by outside consideration that Stadia is liable to die, while you wouldn't be worrying about that with Steam.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#5581: Jan 16th 2020 at 1:52:37 PM

[up][up] Hasn’t that run into issues outside of North America? I’m not sure if the “you don’t actually own a game you buy on steam” holds up under European consumer protection laws.

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#5582: Jan 16th 2020 at 1:55:51 PM

No idea on the specifics. But the concept of you don't own a software but the licence to use it wasn't invented by online retailer, it's existed since the days of floppy disks (see Operating System, Network appliance firmware, or art programs for examples). So I doubt it's been an issue to them. At least compared to Steam not offering refunds for most of its existence till the EU threatened them.

Like unless stuff such as Adobe Photoshop runs on a completely different sales model in Europe than it did in the US for most of its existence and I never heard about it...

Edited by Ghilz on Jan 16th 2020 at 4:57:17 AM

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#5583: Jan 16th 2020 at 2:08:20 PM

With Stadia, I will give the idea some credit in that, if it was done well, it could save people money on the cost of things like computers.

With the legal issue of not owning the software, that's not ideal, but I'll also give it faint praise in that at least it makes sense for you not to own it. Strangely, it would actually be kind of BS if you did own the games you bought on it.

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#5584: Jan 16th 2020 at 2:32:55 PM

I think the reason nobody's made a legal issue of the "you don't own the game, just a license" thing is because it hasn't become an issue yet. None of the major gaming storefronts have crashed. Steam has promised that if they do shut down they'll give customers full access to all the games, which might be a lie, but there's no sign it's actually going to be an issue, so no one cares yet.

I know Kindle does something similar for its books, and some people are worried about that because Amazon is trying to be a monopoly. But right now most of the problems are theoretical.

Edited by Discar on Jan 16th 2020 at 2:35:32 AM

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Adannor (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#5585: Jan 16th 2020 at 2:49:55 PM

"Strangely, it would actually be kind of BS if you did own the games you bought on it. "

It could be integrated with a traditional store, where you are free to play the games on your own hardware or off the server, depending on current mood.

Edited by Adannor on Jan 16th 2020 at 1:51:37 PM

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#5586: Jan 16th 2020 at 4:20:22 PM

If Google can't do the concept of Stadia justice with their vast array of technological resources, money and infrastructure then I don't think anyone can.

Barring any incompetence on google's part I just don't think high quality internet access is available widely enough for it to be viable atm.

Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#5587: Jan 16th 2020 at 4:53:46 PM

With Stadia, I will give the idea some credit in that, if it was done well, it could save people money on the cost of things like computers.

Except you still need godly internet with a high data cap. And people who have the money for those things tend to already own the necessary hardware to play these games.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#5588: Jan 16th 2020 at 4:58:28 PM

[up]Mind you this situation can get even worse in countries outside the US which have even less options and lower quality infrastructure. My internet has decent speed but regularly dc's for like a minute or so. Trying to stream a videogame with this connection would be terrible.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Jan 16th 2020 at 9:00:59 AM

PhysicalStamina ain't nothin' but a party y'all (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
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#5589: Jan 16th 2020 at 5:00:24 PM

Honestly I just wanna keep being able to buy games and just have them. I like that. Why can't we just have that? What's wrong with it? Why do we need to complicate things like this? This isn't revolutionary, it's just stupid.

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#5590: Jan 16th 2020 at 5:01:06 PM

The biggest difference between Stadia and other digital stores, even Kindle, when it comes to ownership is the physical location of the data. Sure, you technically don't own all this digital stuff you bought on Steam, Amazon or whatever, but as long as the data list literally located in a machine you own (or has direct access to), you can make your own backup and access it in some way or another. Technically might be illegal, but it is possible. This is true even to video steaming as even if the file is not directly located on your machine, the whole file goes to it at some point or another, so you can find ways to keep it.

With Stadia it is not so simple. All files are in another machine and technically, all you are seeing is a video streaming from there. You can never, ever, backup your game, even illegally, because the game itself never passes through your machine. This is even worse than the regular digital non-ownership bullshit of other companies.

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#5591: Jan 16th 2020 at 5:04:42 PM

I do wanna point out that the Stadia has its own thread.

VampireBuddha Calendar enthusiast from Ireland (Wise, aged troper) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Calendar enthusiast
#5592: Jan 17th 2020 at 8:07:38 AM

Steam has promised that if they do shut down they'll give customers full access to all the games

People keep saying this, but has anyone ever found a direct source for the statement?

[up]Yup, here it is. It's interesting to read it through; we were all interested and even excited when we thought it was a console, and then immediately went "Well this is pointless and terrible and will fail" when we found out what it actually is;.

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#5593: Jan 17th 2020 at 5:50:02 PM

Any updates on the recent YouTube changes?

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BrightLight from the Southern Water Tribe. Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#5594: Jan 19th 2020 at 2:12:23 AM

Honestly I just wanna keep being able to buy games and just have them. I like that. Why can't we just have that? What's wrong with it? Why do we need to complicate things like this? This isn't revolutionary, it's just stupid.

This.

What was wrong with buying physical CDs and inserting them into PCs and consoles?


Any updates on the recent YouTube changes?

Nothing much, but I can confirm that even if you set certain videos on your channel to "Not (Just) For Kids", the bloody algorithm gets the final word in the end on whether or not your video has access to certain features.

Like, YouTube, why even bother with asking users to tag their content if you're just gonna override their decisions later?

Edited by BrightLight on Jan 19th 2020 at 11:15:03 PM

Adannor (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#5595: Jan 19th 2020 at 2:22:53 AM

Cutting out the middlemen and production costs happened tongue

Also the disks degrade. And they still had DRM.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#5596: Jan 19th 2020 at 7:55:37 AM

That and they can sell half a game then use the profits to finish the rest of it.

Patches, bug fixes and small scale additions didn’t used to be a thing.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Google "big ears"
#5597: Jan 19th 2020 at 8:09:02 AM

Do you guys tend to get a lot of youtubers you don't watch recommended all the time even if you never glanced to anything similar to their content?

I'm getting this penguinz0 guy recommended all the time

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PhysicalStamina ain't nothin' but a party y'all (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
ain't nothin' but a party y'all
#5598: Jan 19th 2020 at 8:52:18 AM

It's why I downloaded Blocktube.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#5599: Jan 19th 2020 at 9:46:32 AM

I keep getting recommendations for Decker Shado but as it turns out, I’m a fan of his review style.

The legend has returned.
Adannor (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#5600: Jan 19th 2020 at 10:23:24 AM

Hm, "I'm not interested in this channel" button is suddenly gone from my "tell us why" menu. So far all I wanted to block is just a supremely boring Slay The Spire lper but damn that could get so much worse.


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