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Deadlock Clock: Sep 21st 2012 at 11:59:00 PM
ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
Ravenous Sophovore
#26: Sep 21st 2012 at 9:59:52 AM

[up][up] Of course it doesn't have natter yet. It doesn't have much of anything yet. But a page about people who look bad in uniform is nothing but a vehicle for complaining.

And 1) We are not about bitching about things we don't like in works. And 2) we are about tropes first. Works are on-mission because they have tropes. Audience reactions are NOT TROPES. They're something we keep around for fun and for legacy reasons. If they cause problems, like Accidental Nightmare Fuel, they go. Why would we want to salvage the Audience Reaction portion of this trope? Why go to the work?

[up]As I said, the description seems to describe three different but related things:

  1. Character wears the uniform, but looks uncomfortable in it. Could be a trope if this is a metaphor for not fitting into the group. If so, it's related to 3 and can probably be folded into it.

  2. Character wears the uniform, but looks bad in it. This is an audience reaction unless someone remarks on it in-universe.

  3. Character goes to great lengths not to wear the uniform. Again, a trope if it is used to demonstrate something about the character.

edited 21st Sep '12 10:00:35 AM by ccoa

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#27: Sep 21st 2012 at 10:40:56 AM

I can't see any Audience Reaction here, not in the examples at least. I don't feel like this is Audience Reaction, but it definitively needs a new name.

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ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
Ravenous Sophovore
#28: Sep 21st 2012 at 11:01:42 AM

I didn't say it was an AR, I said that the description describes one in part. I don't believe anyone has made the claim that this is an AR.

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#29: Sep 21st 2012 at 11:27:22 AM

[up]If the description implies Audience Reaction, there's cause to mention that we don't see it in how the trope should be, or is used.

[up][up][up]Those descriptions are somewhat different from your first ones, and more along with how I see it. To summarise those into what I think would be a good definition (well, if rewritten):


Character goes to great lengths not to wear the uniform. This trope is used to demonstrate something about the character, such as a metaphor for not fitting into the group, or having an unusual personality for the group.

Additionally, it's not a custom variation of the standard uniform, but a completely different one. Often, it's simply the uniform or dress code of the old position of the character, or it can just be something the character feels comfortable in, without necessarily being a deliberate attempt at subversion or displaying nonconformity.

May overlap with Custom Uniform. Somewhat related to Transfer Student Uniforms, Still Wearing the Old Colors. Probably always separate from Non-Uniform Uniform.

edited 21st Sep '12 11:27:53 AM by AnotherDuck

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ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
Ravenous Sophovore
#30: Sep 21st 2012 at 11:58:32 AM

That's because those definitions were modified in further posts based on feedback I got after posting them.

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#31: Sep 21st 2012 at 12:16:25 PM

Well, I can't see that. tongue

[down]Then please be clear what you refer to, and that you don't mean a single post, but several I have to look for.

edited 21st Sep '12 3:41:58 PM by AnotherDuck

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ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
Ravenous Sophovore
#32: Sep 21st 2012 at 12:30:51 PM

I said so in post 9.

edited 21st Sep '12 12:31:31 PM by ccoa

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Xtifr World's Toughest Milkman Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
#33: Sep 21st 2012 at 1:36:32 PM

Personally, I just don't see the point in turning this into something its not, and renaming it, all in one fell swoop. If the all-too-vague definition makes you think of something that is a trope, you can just take that to YKTTW. You can even take along any examples you see that happen to fit.

As it stands, what this describes is too vague and all-over-the-place to really be described as a trope. As ccoa points out, it's possible to see at least two different tropes and one audience reaction in this.

Cutting it, and allowing people to YKTTW any actual tropes they may think they see, will clear up a TRS slot, and with only six examples, which don't all match any particular actual-trope definition, nothing of value will be lost.

But we can do this the hard way if that's what people prefer. The results should be exactly the same, so I don't see why it matters so much which approach we use. I'm not volunteering for YKTTW duty this time, though, because I've already got several in the air.

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Xtifr World's Toughest Milkman Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#34: Sep 29th 2012 at 1:50:52 AM

Bump for more votes. Also, if we're really going to make this into a trope, we need to decide on a definition. The option "make this a trope" may be easy to vote for, but unless you've got some idea of what it might be, it's not a very useful thing to vote for.

edited 29th Sep '12 1:53:10 AM by Xtifr

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#35: Sep 29th 2012 at 2:06:34 AM

I have an idea. smile

Not a lot of votes, but redefine and rename are both above 2.3 : 1 ratio.

edited 29th Sep '12 2:09:05 AM by AnotherDuck

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Xtifr World's Toughest Milkman Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#36: Oct 2nd 2012 at 3:06:00 AM

Well, cut is back in the lead. I still think that's the best solution. This is simply too vague, and doesn't have enough examples of anything we might try to define it as to justify saving it. If someone really wants to make a trope of some of the concepts we've discussed, YKTTW is the place to go, and you don't need to preserve this stub for that.

Oh, and bump for more votes.

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Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
#37: Oct 7th 2012 at 6:52:06 AM

I think it's time to call this one for a cut.

Xtifr World's Toughest Milkman Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#38: Oct 15th 2012 at 1:47:24 PM

Bump. This has been stable for a while, and cut seems like the clear winner.

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#39: Oct 16th 2012 at 9:05:49 AM

Consensus to cut.

edited 16th Oct '12 9:05:56 AM by shimaspawn

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Xtifr World's Toughest Milkman Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#40: Oct 16th 2012 at 1:02:39 PM

De-wicked (there was only one) and sent to the cut-list with a link back to this thread. Once it's cut, we can close this.

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shoboni Since: Oct, 2010
#41: Oct 17th 2012 at 10:03:03 AM

Late, but I agree with cut, it's like two years old and still almost empty.

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#42: Oct 20th 2012 at 3:39:01 PM

This has been cut. Let's lock.

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18th Sep '12 5:49:19 PM

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The trope has an unclear, non-indicative name, an unclear description, and may not even be a trope. Note that the options below are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

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