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absolclaw Since: Jan, 2001
#26: Jul 19th 2012 at 11:39:31 PM

How did Alfred discover Bane was rejected from the League of Shadows so early anyway o_o

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#27: Jul 20th 2012 at 2:33:57 AM

Nolan stretched the whole verisimilitude schtick beyond the breaking point in this movie. The Dark Knight had enough grit to trick audiences into thinking it was realistic. It borders on bathos to apply that same veneer of grit to a flying car, a nuclear fusion bomb, and a villain attempting to fulfill a parental legacy of city destruction.

But I'm willing to forgive that because of what the movie did right. I love that Nolan makes a major plot point of the problem inherent in the ending of The Dark Knight. I love that Nolan acknowledges that one man punching criminals is not a viable long-term solution to any problems. I love that, after dropping hints in the prior films about Bruce wanting to hang up the cape and live a normal life, Nolan actually lets Bruce do precisely that. I even liked the way this movie makes no mention of the Joker, making his ending just as foggy and undefined as his origins.

In short, the movie is a beautiful mess.

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#28: Jul 20th 2012 at 5:15:39 AM

It depends. If the animated tie-in Batman Gotham Knight is canon, this universe also had its Killer Croc and Deadshot.

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#29: Jul 20th 2012 at 6:07:06 AM

Batman seems to have the highest ration of batshit (ha, see what I did there?) insane villains.

Then again, I'm referring to someone who dresses up in leather bat costume and punches people, so...

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#30: Jul 20th 2012 at 6:39:57 AM

... I don't see how that's a sign of "insanity". It's weird and unconventional, "weird".Which people too often lump with "crazy".

edited 20th Jul '12 6:40:12 AM by TheHandle

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#31: Jul 20th 2012 at 6:53:21 AM

Batman himself has issues. Great big honking issues - and that's one thing the Nolan flicks do touch on, that his coping mechanism, while noble, isn't the most healthy.

Which isn't really the same as crazy.

And in some ways Nolan!Bruce is probably less messed up than a lot of other versions of the character.

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#32: Jul 20th 2012 at 7:03:03 AM

Pretty good, weird pacing issues round the middle/The Pit. Saw the twist coming, though anyone who knew who Miranda Tate really was knew anyway.

I waited till after the credits desperately hoping for a shot of JGL in the suit, but alas I was let down.

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#33: Jul 20th 2012 at 7:12:34 AM

Did anyone else get a bit of a Darth Vader vibe from Hardy as Bane? The unusual voice, muffled by a mask, the brains-and-brawn combo, and the scene where he's close to death after Batman punches his mask reminded me a lot of Vader at the end of ROTJ (the baldness helped too). It was most likely 99% unintentional, but it was a nice semi-reference in my mind.

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#34: Jul 20th 2012 at 7:29:57 AM

I saw that, too. But if your villain is going to remind the audience of someone, one of the most iconic villains is cinema is a good way to go.

Personally though, I was amused by the way Selina basically played Han Solo in ANH during the final battle. She has her Not in This for Your Revolution speech, says she's going to just take her reward and leave, and looks to do that - and then shows up again just in time to shoot down the villain before he kills the hero, allowing the hero to fulfill his final task to save the day.

I bet Selina always shoots first.

edited 20th Jul '12 7:30:26 AM by Drakyndra

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#35: Jul 20th 2012 at 7:37:24 AM

She's Greedy like that.

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#36: Jul 20th 2012 at 7:38:48 AM

[up][up]I think it was completely intentional. That strong British voice with the voice modification - yeah, definitely a Vader reference. I just wish they could've found a way to make the voice more clear.

[up]You do realize this makes Bruce Princess Leia.

...You know, I don't really have any problems with that.

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#37: Jul 20th 2012 at 7:49:08 AM

If only James Earl Jones had voiced him...

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absolclaw Since: Jan, 2001
#38: Jul 20th 2012 at 7:50:18 AM

It was British? I thought the voice was meant to sound like it came from Cuba/that area.

And Catwoman reminded me of Jack Sparrow (back when he was funny and unpredictable in the first film), though Han Solo definitely in the second part.

I'm also glad the DESHI BASARA chant was to do with the prison rather then being Bane's chant.

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#39: Jul 20th 2012 at 8:02:51 AM

I thought Bane sounded like Sean Connery...

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#40: Jul 20th 2012 at 8:05:04 AM

Bane Is About To Shoot You?

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#41: Jul 20th 2012 at 8:06:11 AM

Your punishment musht be more shhheverrre.

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#42: Jul 20th 2012 at 8:10:18 AM

Take control of your shity.

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#43: Jul 20th 2012 at 8:13:34 AM

Does Bruce get his back broken?

edited 20th Jul '12 8:17:14 AM by TheHandle

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#44: Jul 20th 2012 at 8:18:19 AM

Yes.

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#45: Jul 20th 2012 at 8:19:04 AM

I was so conflicted by that scene.

Because his back. Was broken. SNAP. It was painful to watch. And yet... "I WILL BREAK YOU." Total nerdgasm.

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#46: Jul 20th 2012 at 8:19:54 AM

And then the creepy prison doctor just snaps his vertebrae back in, no big deal.

...what.

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#47: Jul 20th 2012 at 8:22:41 AM

"Oh, he's hopped up on morphine, but, you know, it's no big deal."

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Maridee from surfside Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#48: Jul 20th 2012 at 8:26:10 AM

I like that Selina watched while Bane was beating Bruce up. It made her different from all the people in the second movie who betrayed their friends but didn't think through or face the consequences of their actions.

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absolclaw Since: Jan, 2001
#49: Jul 20th 2012 at 8:26:24 AM

You guys didn't flinch at that? It's just like. "Bitch please, SNAP" " ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH".

Besides, it's implied there was at least a couple of weeks. But yes, I was concerned they'd only break his leg, and yes, they go the whole way, over the head and on the knee. I could only imagine the fanboy fangasms. Besides the fact its played for the horror it is rather than "fuck yeah, he managed to break his back"

Actually speaking of which, did you catch what the guy was saying about Bruce's lack of fear of death being a weakness? It was one of those things where it was hard for me to understand (as well as Bane's explanation of Wayne's punishment, but at least I understood the general gist of it)

edited 20th Jul '12 8:35:14 AM by absolclaw

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#50: Jul 20th 2012 at 8:30:17 AM

Oh, I flinched.

Both scenes were horrible to watch - the back breaking and when he got his back fixed by the "doctor". I was really hungry when I went to the premier, but when I saw the first scene I totally lost my appetite.

I was glad they put it in there, because it is such an iconic scene and what Bane is famous for.

EDIT: I'm not exactly sure what that meant. I think that the fear of death was supposed to give him the strength to climb out - if there was a chance that he would fall, the adrenaline or something would have let him make a bigger jump?

edited 20th Jul '12 8:36:45 AM by Iulla

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