Why are all these hottips being removed? without them, the paragraphs just look plain stupid! Example: Excluding from appearing as a host, co-host and judge, Nancy O’Dell appeared as herself before in eleven talk shows^note The Talk, Home & Family, Rachael Ray, Fox and Friends, The Wendy Williams Show, The Brian McKnight Show, Hannity, Live with Kelly and Michael, The Tony Danza Show, Late Night with Conan O'Brien and The View, two news shows ^note Fox and Friends and Hannity, three reality shows^note Southern Belles: Louisville, The Next Food Network Star and Dancing with the Stars, one video short^note A Very Beazley Christmas, and thirteen television series^note Warren the Ape, WWF Raw, Hannah Montana, 30 Rock, Dirt, Joey, Pyramid, Brothers, Charmed, Bette, The Simpsons, Celebrity Dish and Beverly Hills, 90210. List of her appearances as a host is ^here  Entertainment Tonight, MDA Show of Strength, Celebrities at Home, Jerry Lewis MDA Labor Day Telethon, 46th Annual Academy of Country Music Awards, Your OWN Show, New Year's Eve Live!, 14th Annual PRISM Awards, The ABC 2010 Red Carpet Premiere Event: No Ordinary Dramas, The ABC 2010 Red Carpet Premiere Event: Laugh On, Access Hollywood, 2009 Golden Globe Awards Red Carpet Special, Tournament of Roses Parade, 12th Annual Prism Awards, Golden Globes Announcement Special, Miss Universe 2006, Miss USA 2006, 245th St Patrick's Day Parade, Miss USA 2005, Christmas in Rockefeller Center, Nashville Star, Holiday Music Spectacular and 68th Annual Hollywood Christmas Parade, appearing as a co-host is ^here Entertainment Tonight, Jerry Lewis MDA Labor Day Telethon, Access Hollywood, Anderson Live, 114th Annual Tournament of Roses Parade and Miss Universe 2005 and as a judge right ^here Project Runway and The 78th Annual Miss America Pageant. The way the labelnoted 'here' is up in the text just doesn't seem right . . . I can't find the words to explain it.

The parser code was changed, and it makes hottip coding not work right. The note/labelnote coding is the fix.

You can use the labelnote markup to change the "note" text. Otherwise, I guess it's a matter of rewriting things with the following in mind:

A. Include the information without the sea of notes.
B. Do we need all of that the information in the first place?

In your example, would we really need more information than just "eleven talk shows", etc? Couldn't we link to her IMDB page? We can make mention of the programs that have a page here.

If you wanted to retain all of that, how about a folder?

edited 16th Oct '13 8:57:48 PM by Rotpar

"But don't give up hope. Everyone is cured sooner or later. In the end we shall shoot you." - O'Brien, 1984

I do not have a problem at all with the^note text. Plus, I think hottips/notes are often overused.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

The only reason is if there is too much labelnote, than there will be issues like this:

Snippets of classical music by Isaac Albéniz ^works Suite española: Asturias, Johann Sebastian Bach^works Brandenburg Concerto No. 2, BWV 1047 Allegro moderato, Concerto for harpsichord, strings & continuo No. 5, BWV 1056 Arioso¬¬.Largo, Orchestral Suite No. 3 and BWV 1068 Gavotte, Ludwig Van Beethoven^works Piano Sonata No. 8 ("Pathétique"), first movement, Piano Sonata No. 14 ("Moonlight"), third movement, Piano Sonata No. 23 ("Appassionata"), first movement, Symphony No. 1, first movement, Symphony No. 6 ("Pastoral"), first and fourth movements and Symphony No. 9 ("Choral"), second movement, Hector Berlioz^works Symphonie fantastique, second movement, ^{Léon Boëllmann} Suite Gothique: Toccata, Alexander Borodin ^works Polovtsian Dances (Fifth Dance: "Dance of the Boys"), Anton Bruckner ^works Symphony No. 2, third movement, Claude Debussy:^works Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune]], Paul Dukas [[labelnote:works]]The Sorcerer's Apprentice, Edward Elgar^works The Wand of Youth Suite No. 1 and Pomp and Circumstance March No. 1 (Land of Hope and Glory), César Franck^works Symphony in D minor, first and second movements, Edvard Grieg^works Peer Gynt: Morning Mood, Lyric Suite: "March of the Dwarfs" and In the Hall of the Mountain King, Albert W. Ketelbey ^works In a Persian Market, Lev Knipper^works Cavalry of the Steppes, Zoltán Kodály^works Háry János Suite, Franz Liszt^works Piano Concerto No. 1, Totentanz and Transcendental Etude No. 6 "Vision", Felix Mendelssohn^works Spring Song, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart^works The Magic Flute, The Marriage of Figaro, Symphony #35 in D major and K.385 "Haffner", 4th movement, Modest Mussorgsky Pictures at an Exhibition: Gnomus, Tuileries and Night on the Bare Mountain, Sergey Prokofiev^works Symphony No. 1 ("Classical"): Gavotta, Romeo and Juliet, Peter and the Wolf, Lieutenant Kijé and Scythian Suite, Sergei Rachmaninoff^works Prelude in G minor, Maurice Ravel^works Gaspard de la nuit: Le gibet, Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov Scheherazade, The Snow Maiden: Dance of the Tumblers, The Golden Cockerel and Flight of the Bumblebee, Gioachino Rossini^works William Tell Overture, Camille Saint-Saëns Symphony No. 3 ("Organ"), first movement, Franz Schubert^works Serenade, Symphony No. 8 ("Unfinished"), first movement and Rosamunde: Ballet Music No. 2, Jean Sibelius^works Finlandia, Richard Strauss^works Till Eulenspiegels lustige Streiche, Igor Stravinsky^works The Firebird, The Rite of Spring and Petrushka: Russian Dance[[/lablenote]], Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky[[labelnote:works]]Natha Waltz, The Nutcracker, The Seasons: June, August, Symphony No. 4: Finale (Allegro con fuoco), Symphony No. 6 ("Pathétique"), second theme from first movement and Romeo and Juliet Fantasy Overture and Richard Wagner^works Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg Overture and The Ring are used either as background music or certain themes throughout the series’ run.

Now here’s what it looks like with hottip:

Snippets of classical music by Isaac Albéniz

, Johann Sebastian Bach^works Brandenburg Concerto No. 2, BWV 1047 Allegro moderato, Concerto for harpsichord, strings & continuo No. 5, BWV 1056 Arioso¬¬.Largo, Orchestral Suite No. 3 and BWV 1068 Gavotte, Ludwig Van Beethoven^works Piano Sonata No. 8 ("Pathétique"), first movement, Piano Sonata No. 14 ("Moonlight"), third movement, Piano Sonata No. 23 ("Appassionata"), first movement, Symphony No. 1, first movement, Symphony No. 6 ("Pastoral"), first and fourth movements and Symphony No. 9 ("Choral"), second movement, Hector Berlioz^works Symphonie fantastique, second movement, Léon Boëllmann

Suite Gothique: Toccata

, Alexander Borodin

Polovtsian Dances (Fifth Dance: "Dance of the Boys")

, Anton Bruckner

Symphony No. 2, third movement

, Claude Debussy:[[labelnote:works]]Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune]], Paul Dukas

The Sorcerer's Apprentice

, Edward Elgar^works The Wand of Youth Suite No. 1 and Pomp and Circumstance March No. 1 (Land of Hope and Glory), César Franck

Symphony in D minor, first and second movements

, Edvard Grieg

Peer Gynt: Morning Mood, Lyric Suite: "March of the Dwarfs" and In the Hall of the Mountain King

, Albert W. Ketelbey

In a Persian Market

, Lev Knipper

Cavalry of the Steppes

, Zoltán Kodály

Háry János Suite

, Franz Liszt^works Piano Concerto No. 1, Totentanz and Transcendental Etude No. 6 "Vision", Felix Mendelssohn^works Spring Song, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart^works The Magic Flute, The Marriage of Figaro, Symphony #35 in D major and K.385 "Haffner", 4th movement, Modest Mussorgsky

Pictures at an Exhibition: Gnomus, Tuileries and Night on the Bare Mountain

, Sergey Prokofiev

Symphony No. 1 ("Classical"): Gavotta, Romeo and Juliet, Peter and the Wolf, Lieutenant Kijé and Scythian Suite

, Sergei Rachmaninoff^works Prelude in G minor, Maurice Ravel^works Gaspard de la nuit: Le gibet, Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov

Scheherazade, The Snow Maiden: Dance of the Tumblers, The Golden Cockerel and Flight of the Bumblebee

, Gioachino Rossini^works William Tell Overture, Camille Saint-Saëns

Symphony No. 3 ("Organ"), first movement

, Franz Schubert^works Serenade, Symphony No. 8 ("Unfinished"), first movement and Rosamunde: Ballet Music No. 2, Jean Sibelius

Finlandia

, Richard Strauss

Till Eulenspiegels lustige Streiche

, Igor Stravinsky^works The Firebird, The Rite of Spring and Petrushka: Russian Dance[[/lablenote]], Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky[[labelnote:works]]Natha Waltz, The Nutcracker, The Seasons: June, August, Symphony No. 4: Finale (Allegro con fuoco), Symphony No. 6 ("Pathétique"), second theme from first movement and Romeo and Juliet Fantasy Overture and Richard Wagner^works Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg Overture and The Ring are used either as background music or certain themes throughout the series’ run.

Also, where do I go to ask about cancelling redirects?

Hmm, the hottip looks fine to me.

edited 17th Oct '13 7:18:29 PM by Ghost101

I think you could also just include all of that inside of a single note.

• Context goes here, so many examples:

^{Here are the examples hidden within a single note} 

• info
• data
• infodata
• datainfo
• Wiki Word
• Trope

• Other tropes or works, the page continues here.

edited 17th Oct '13 9:35:07 PM by Rotpar

"But don't give up hope. Everyone is cured sooner or later. In the end we shall shoot you." - O'Brien, 1984

That still doesn't explain why all the hottips are being removed. Like I said before, it looks fine to me.

Because ]] tags inside a hottip can interfere with its function: *

leads to Pot Hole.]]

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Not to accumulate anything but wouldn't it just be easier not to use a link in a hottip? That's what I did.

I'm guessing I'm somewhat confused about why we can't use hottips considering the example I provided looks fine to me.

edited 18th Oct '13 6:10:37 PM by Ghost101

Or one could just not use hottips/notes like that.

I removed the hottips from VideoGame.Pokemon X And Y and YMMV.Pokemon X And Y

Any news about a new list?

Eddie didn't say; I'll ask.

Here we go.

Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty

Done, except for the archives and administrivia pages.

Like I suggested before, wouldn't it be easier not to use a link in a hottip? It just seems like a waste getting rid of something that seems to work just fine.

It. Doesn't. Work. Properly. Anymore.

It obviously doesn't work "just fine" if its basic functionality is broken like that.

I've tried it several more times and STILL

don't know what you're talking about but whatever.

edited 20th Oct '13 10:19:12 PM by Ghost101

As for the formatting issues, the formatting for hottips has already changed a couple of times anyway (between underlined-not underlined, superscript-regular text).

Ghost, the ability to include potholes in a note/hottip is a basic part of their functionality. There are cases where it's necessary to convey the information trying to be conveyed properly. And even if that weren't necessary, the fact that pothole markup can break a hottip means that the hottip markup is broken: a working markup would not be broken by a basic wiki function.

And if that's not enough for you, then there's also the fact that Eddie (the guy who codes and runs the site) has declared the hottip markup obsolete, to be replaced by the note markup.

The hottip markup is going away. End of story. The decision has already been made; the change is not up for debate.

edited 21st Oct '13 10:38:56 AM by Nocturna

Hmm ... on an unrelated note, will we need another cleanout or is it time to shut down the markup?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

That's entirely up to Eddie...I have to assume that removing them is the eventual plan based on his comments at the start of the thread, it's just a question of when he decides to get around to it and how much time it would take coding-wise.

edited 21st Oct '13 1:46:45 PM by Willbyr

So if/when it's finally removed completely, what happens to forum hottips? I know in some threads they get used a lot for various reasons, and just nuking hottips will break the relevant posts.

All your safe space are belong to Trump

I suspect that like strike or colour tags, they'll keep working until the post is edited.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman