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Rubber_Lotus Since: May, 2014
#426: Oct 5th 2014 at 3:08:50 PM

I'm thinking about writing an (unofficial) continuation, though I can't promise it'll be to everyone's tastes.

And also, if you ever want to become disillusioned with this fic, kindly check out how its authors act (just type the title into Google and you'll find a four-page discussion thread on it a couple links down). They might be good writers, but they're also total ass-hats to people who disagree with the fic (or at least a couple of very brutal trolls). At one point, I think they even flat-out state that anyone who sides with Ranma is by definition a terrible person.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#427: Oct 5th 2014 at 3:15:43 PM

The Ranma in this fanfic, or Ranma Saotome the canonical character (and fanfic versions of him that follow his personality with a sufficient measure of faithfulness)?

edited 5th Oct '14 3:22:55 PM by MarqFJA

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Rubber_Lotus Since: May, 2014
#428: Oct 5th 2014 at 3:19:31 PM

Really, it wasn't that clear. That opinion was dropped in the middle of one of those long debates where each side lays out the characters' respective rap sheets from the manga canon, so I guess it's referring to Ranma the canon character and all accurate fanfic depictions thereof.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#429: Oct 5th 2014 at 3:24:00 PM

Well, there is a reason why the cast is genuinely described on the main article as examples of Comedic Sociopathy and that they'd be nigh-irredeemable grade-A jerkasses if they were real people.

... I think I found the thread, though I have to use the web-cache to browse the pages due to not being a member of the forum and not being keen of joining just to read a few forum pages.

Wait, The Anonguy Workshop is a collaborative group? And it includes Andrew Joshua Talon (writier of the EVA fanfic Plugsuits)? Maybe we could ask him what happened to their work on the story, if the thread doesn't explain it.

EDIT: Man, you weren't kidding about their responses to certain complaints. Though it seems less "ass-hat because I don't like your criticism" and more "ass-hat because you're either being a hypocrite or using ridiculously flimsy arguments to bash my story under the guise of criticism" to me. No, I'm not kidding; I may sympathize and understand why some of those guys have issue with the story (be it the premise or the execution), but their arguments as a whole aren't as convincing as they seem to think they are. Besides what I already said, there's what one of the co-authors had pointed out: There is a heap-ton of fics where Ranma gets fed up and verbally bashes everyone for their jerkassery and crimes towards him, and for some reason everything he ever did is handwaved/whitewashed away to some degree or the other, in order to paint him as an innocent victim of everyone else. Rarely if ever does he get called out by any new friend(s) that he inevitably makes over his past offenses towards the other Ranma One Half characters.

And the authors do admit that they know that they may not be fair to Ranma in this story, but at the same time note that there already plenty of fics where such fairness is dealt to him. Even the poster whose complaint about fairness had prompted this response conceded this point.

Sent a PM to AJ Talon (who is still active on FF.Net, judging by very recent story/chapter submissions) to inquire about the status of the fic and the group collaboration behind it.

edited 5th Oct '14 4:09:09 PM by MarqFJA

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Rubber_Lotus Since: May, 2014
#430: Oct 5th 2014 at 4:45:36 PM

Alright, while we're waiting on that... let's discuss something light and fluffy.

Anyone see potential in a Ranma-One Piece crossover? It would be hilarious to see the Crouch of the Wild Tiger go up against the fearsome Usopp Spell.

But I can't shake the feeling that it would be creepy as fuck to see Sanji slobber over any of the female Ranma cast except for maybe adult!Hinako or Nodoka Saotome, even though most of the female Ranma cast pride themselves on being beautiful/sexy. I can't really stop thinking of them all as children, since they're all supposed to be 16 at most.

Then again, Sanji also drooled over Vivi, and she's supposed to be 16...

EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#431: Oct 5th 2014 at 4:45:45 PM

[up][up]So it's one of those "protagonist finally loses their shit and calls everyone out on being a douchebag" fics, but starring Akane instead of Ranma. And with better writing.

[nja]

[up]Depending on the age of the slobberer in question, 14~16 is totally valid for slobbering over. The problem, therefore, is that Sanji is IIRC 20 or so, erego putting him out of the valid slobbering range.

As to the concept of a crossover itself, I'm sure there's potential. It just depends on how you go about it.

edited 5th Oct '14 4:50:23 PM by EvaUnit01

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#432: Oct 5th 2014 at 4:53:01 PM

[up][up] Vivi? He's been lusting over Nami (who's the same age as Vivi) ever since they met (though there was more Chivalrous Pervert-ness involved before his woman-loving aspect of him was flanderized into full-on Handsome Lech who just happens to have some chivalrous traits in him).

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#433: Oct 5th 2014 at 4:54:33 PM

[up]Point taken. Point possibly retracted.

Rubber_Lotus Since: May, 2014
#434: Oct 5th 2014 at 4:57:24 PM

Yeah, but Nami is supposed to be 18, which is not only totally over adulthood but also only a year younger than Sanji is (pre-timeskip, Sanji is supposed to be 19). Also, she, I dunno, carries off the "adult" vibe better.

On a vaguely related note, if Ranma does get a bounty, it would be hilarious and fitting for it to be 112 million Berries. Or if the marines just nicknamed him "Half-and-Half" after seeing his curse in action.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#435: Oct 5th 2014 at 4:58:57 PM

[up][up]Why? I was pointing to Rubber Lotus.

For the record, Sanji was 19 pre-Time Skip (as is Zoro, BTW), i.e. only 1 year older than Nami. Yes, he probably is a slight case of Younger Than They Look; I definitely was surprised when I first learned this.

[nja]'d

edited 5th Oct '14 5:00:14 PM by MarqFJA

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Rubber_Lotus Since: May, 2014
#436: Oct 5th 2014 at 5:02:47 PM

... so, it's agreed. Nami was always older than Vivi, but Sanji mooned after both of them anyways, so he's technically a disgusting creeper who shouldn't share scenes with the female Ranma cast (sans maybe Cologne).

But then again, Happosai. Stick him into the story and Sanji's gonna look like a goddamn angel.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#437: Oct 5th 2014 at 5:06:29 PM

... so, it's agreed. Nami was always older than Vivi, but Sanji mooned after both of them anyways, so he's technically a disgusting creeper who shouldn't share scenes with the female Ranma cast (sans maybe Cologne).
I never said that.

But then again, Happosai. Stick him into the story and Sanji's gonna look like a goddamn angel.
That hadn't crossed my mind, but yeah, Sanji is tame compared to him. At least he genuinely tries to woo the women rather than grope them and steal their underwear against their will. His only one negative strike in this regard is when he desired the invisibility Devil Fruit to be a peeping tom — and even then it's explicitly only for passive voyeurism, unlike Absalom who seemed just a few steps away from outright raping his victim at the time (Nami) if the manga was that kind of Darker and Edgier.

edited 5th Oct '14 5:07:11 PM by MarqFJA

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EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#438: Oct 5th 2014 at 5:08:11 PM

If Nami was 16 and 19!Sanji was slobbering over her, then that puts the lady Ranma cast (that are aged 16) back within valid slobbering-over range.

Also, Sanji is not a disgusting creeper. He's an otherwise really cool dude with one baaaad lady problem.

edited 5th Oct '14 5:09:45 PM by EvaUnit01

Rubber_Lotus Since: May, 2014
#439: Oct 5th 2014 at 5:12:51 PM

In the One Piece manga, Volume 4's question corner officially pegged Nami's age at 18. I can't find exactly where Oda said that Vivi was 16 when the Strawhats met her, but I think it was somewhere during the early Alabasta arc.

In any case, if Sanji kicks some ass impressively enough, Shampoo might switch to him as her Airen. And then get pissed when he won't attack her.

Now, would anyone care to speculate on the sheer comedic potential of Zoro-Ryoga scenes? Or Luffy taking one look at a transformed Genma/Shampoo/Mousse/Ryoga/Taro and immediately screaming "Food!"?

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#440: Oct 5th 2014 at 5:14:48 PM

I think that would only really work for Mousse and Ryoga, since duck and pig are common food animals. Whereas bear (much less panda), cat, and Eldritch Abomination generally are not.

Rubber_Lotus Since: May, 2014
#441: Oct 5th 2014 at 5:16:45 PM

Ah, but this is Luffy we're talking about. The guy was trying to eat Chopper when he first saw the little guy, and Chopper not only looked like no "common food" animal, but actually walked and talked.

Besides, Taro's cursed form could easily be written off by his brain as one of the Grand Line's mystery animals. Luffy-logic usually goes, "If I'm peckish and it doesn't look human, it's going in my belly".

EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#442: Oct 5th 2014 at 5:18:28 PM

.... point taken. And really, when is Luffy ever not peckish? (excepting when his crew members are in trouble, of course)

So, what's your plan to reconcile the settings of One Piece and R1/2?

edited 5th Oct '14 5:19:10 PM by EvaUnit01

Rubber_Lotus Since: May, 2014
#443: Oct 5th 2014 at 5:28:12 PM

Right now? Even money between "Kuno tries to take Akane on another cruise, everyone else invites themselves along, ship sails into a storm and randomly winds up in a new dimension" or "Ranma makes a stupid wish in earshot of a Kami for an actually challenging opponent".

Speaking of, it would be amusing to see the Nerima Wrecking Crew try to learn the Rokushiki.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#444: Oct 5th 2014 at 6:01:26 PM

For the record, Ranma and his peer's are not given exactly definitive ages IIRC. The only indicators are that they're in high school, and Tatewaki is their upperclassman, thus putting at least a 1 year difference in their ages. Add in the fact that students start first grade only in the April after they turn six, and the ages may be further skewed off depending upon the character's month of birth (has Takahashi-sensei ever gave such dates, incidentally?), so it's all too possible for example that either Akane or Ranma is 1 year older than the other despite being in the same grade.

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Rubber_Lotus Since: May, 2014
#445: Oct 5th 2014 at 6:09:09 PM

I recall that in the first chapter, Soun gave the ages of all three Tendo daughters (Akane: 16, Nabiki: 17, Kasumi: 19). Kuno also regularly introduces himself as "Tatewaki Kuno, Age Seventeen."

Everyone else seems to be fair game, though.

edited 5th Oct '14 6:09:29 PM by Rubber_Lotus

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#446: Oct 5th 2014 at 7:05:54 PM

Well, Ranma's fiancees are most probably the same rough age as him and Akane — Ukyo and Kodachi, at least, since we know they're in the same school grade as them. The jury's out on Shampoo, though.

edited 5th Oct '14 7:06:17 PM by MarqFJA

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Hyp3rB14d3 Since: Jan, 2001
#447: Oct 5th 2014 at 7:34:36 PM

Whereupon we come to the reveal: Shampoo is actually 46, the Joketsuzoku Amazons just age slowly.

edited 6th Oct '14 2:20:02 AM by Hyp3rB14d3

TheNobody Since: Jan, 2011
#448: Oct 6th 2014 at 1:01:31 AM

Regarding issues of Sanji slobbering over people - what if they are a year or two older than in the manga when this happens? They can't always be "Tatewaki Kuno, age seventeen"...

Which prompts a mental image of somebody shouting "Cut that out, you're already twenty" at some point.

Rather than smart, I'd prefer to be wise. It would let me be silly more often.
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#449: Oct 6th 2014 at 7:12:56 AM

Fine by me, to be honest.

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EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#450: Oct 6th 2014 at 8:41:40 PM

Okay, finally finished "Escape from Ranma Saotome". Gotta be honest, I really didn't care for the fic as a whole... right up until that last scene.

"Here in the real world, the bad guys always win. ESPECIALLY WHEN HIS NAME IS RANMA SAOTOME!"

Good thing I can still keep my spirits up with the hilarity and general awesomeness of Guardian.


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