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Five-Man Band has been receiving a lot of misuse. As was concluded in this TRS thread, it needs a massive cleanup. There are over 30 subpages and almost 3500 wicks to be gone through. This thread is for organizing the cleanup effort and discussing any and all examples to be added and cut.

What is correct use of the trope?

  • The characters must be part of a team, that is, a team dynamic must exist between members of the band.
  • There must be exactly 5 team members

Format for examples

In an effort to cut down on misuse as well as get rid of all the Zero Context Examples, we are trying to shift all examples to the following format. If you are familiar with a current work and can do a writeup for it, please do so and post it here.

The sandbox for sorting examples is here.


Completed

Subpages:

  • Other (Moved and redirected to a Just for Fun page, as that is what is was acting as.)

Still needs work

Wicks (Related To page):

  • B-V

I will keep this post updated with the progress made, and any other needed information.

Edited by MacronNotes on May 19th 2022 at 8:59:40 AM

Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#676: May 13th 2014 at 9:15:21 AM

Ok, then can I remove the parenthetical notes and add a paragraph explaining the musical thing instead, so it doesn't look like it's an integral part of the definition anymore?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#677: May 13th 2014 at 9:18:04 AM

I give my non-official blessing for that proposal.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#678: May 13th 2014 at 3:37:17 PM

It is worth a try if you think it will make a difference.

Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
NemuruMaeNi Since: Apr, 2014
#679: May 14th 2014 at 1:33:08 AM

Come to think of it, the Main page of 5MB also(/still) looks like leader spot can be occupied by The Hero and The Heart is good to go into The Chick seat.

What's there to clean up, if description's the most lacking?

edited 14th May '14 1:34:20 AM by NemuruMaeNi

FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#680: May 14th 2014 at 6:44:28 AM

Nothing that broadens the definition, please.

Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
makarovak47 Since: Mar, 2012
#681: May 21st 2014 at 3:52:46 AM

Mods should take this example for consideration:

Sucker Punch

  • The Leader: Babydoll, the leader and protagonist.
  • The Lancer: Sweet Pea, the voice of caution and dissent.
  • The Smart Girl: Amber, who's in charge of transport in missions.
  • The Big Girl: Blondie, who, in the missions, is the most ruthless and ferocious, and carries the biggest weapons.
  • The Chick: Rocket, The Heart, who exhibits an emotional personality-type and is determined to hold the girls together.

NemuruMaeNi Since: Apr, 2014
#682: May 26th 2014 at 7:10:33 AM

Seen someone's request over at the protected pages edit thread, amounting to removal of musical instruments reference. That was pretty headfirst, yeah. I think that the better effect (compared to what someone sought) would be to add a metaphor-signaling piece.

What would you say, if at the 5MB main page "The Leader" entry were changed from:

  • The Leader — (lead singer) The leader of the group. Can be a mastermind, charismatic, levelheaded, headstrong, or some combination of the four. Often also The Hero.
to:
  • The Leader — (his contribution to the Five-Man Band efforts is akin to that of lead singer to the performance of musical ensembles) The leader of the group. Can be a mastermind, charismatic, levelheaded, headstrong, or some combination of the four. Often also The Hero.

While every other entry remains unchanged. Kind of a road block's subtlelty at a bit of a clean look sacrifice.

Edit: I'm not saying "the hero", and "the heart" references are perfect, it's not the point at the moment.

edited 26th May '14 7:13:25 AM by NemuruMaeNi

STRX Since: Jul, 2013
#683: May 27th 2014 at 2:51:48 PM

Out of curiosity for two years, shouldn't Sonic X have a Five-Man Band:

The Hero/The Leader: Sonic. (He acts more like the Hero/Leader in Season 3)

The Lancer: Knuckles

The Smart Guy: Tails

The Big Girl: Amy

The Chick: Cream

Sixth Ranger/Audience Surrogate: Chris, and if you count season 3, Cosmo.

edited 27th May '14 2:52:25 PM by STRX

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#684: May 27th 2014 at 2:53:31 PM

With that much overlap between the roles the characters would play, I am thinking "no".

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
STRX Since: Jul, 2013
#685: May 27th 2014 at 3:06:41 PM

Digimon Xros Wars: The Human Generals of the Fusion Fights/Xros Heart United Army:

  • The Leader: Mikey, Human leader of the Fusion Fighters
  • The Lancer: Christopher, acts as Aloof Ally but joins Xros Wars against Bagra and joins in season 2.
  • The Smart Girl: Nene, after her Heel–Face Turn,joins Xros Wars and is highly knowledgeable intellect and the Digimon world in general. Her Digimon are mostly ninjas specializing in collect intelligence
  • The Big Guy: Jeremy, acts as General in Mikey's absence, can fightother Digimon with just his Star Sword, and does KENDO!
  • The Chick: Angie, has a crush on Mikey and acts the heart for the Fusion Fighters.
  • Sixth Ranger/11th-Hour Ranger: Has a Heel–Face Turn after being a major part of the Bagra Army and joins not too long before the finale.

ChaoticNovelist Since: Jun, 2010
#686: May 28th 2014 at 6:51:17 AM

[up] Remove the Sixth Ranger stuff because that's not part of the template. Then it could work.

NemuruMaeNi Since: Apr, 2014
#687: May 28th 2014 at 7:12:45 AM

Sonic X is zero-context entries.

I don't know Digimon at all, but where's any context on Lancer being a foil to the Leader in that case? The Leader being zero-context doesn't help.

It looks like tropers are trying to advocate individual roles. Oh look, he can smash things, he's The Big Guy. And look at her, she is confirmed to be able to read 35 words per minute and has Wi Fi on her gadget, she's The Smart Guy. Next, count to five, and with a little bit of shoehorning, you're, like, totally set. In the very best case that these role-divisions turn out ot be logically correct — these sentiments would only warrant separate trope entries on the works page, no? Like, there's an instance of Smart Guy, an instance of The Leader, and an instance of Samwan Wanwan Samwan Aerus. To be a Five-Man Band, those characters should be hogging their specialty contributions and should be falling into respective archetypes while within the team, when the team operates. Illustration context should aim at that team dynamics part, that's what I'm getting at.

Disclaimer: Feel free to ignore all this and wait for someone else to answer , I haven't seen a word of confirmation of my speculations on this yet. Others must feel mighty fine with current state of affairs.

edited 28th May '14 7:19:07 AM by NemuruMaeNi

STRX Since: Jul, 2013
#688: May 28th 2014 at 2:40:05 PM

[up] Nemuru, Chrsitopher is a Foil, I just didn't mention it because I didn't think it be important. And exactly what do you mean by Zero Context for Sonic X?

NemuruMaeNi Since: Apr, 2014
#689: May 28th 2014 at 10:33:28 PM

Zero Context Example.

Try thinking about it this way. There are two tropers, one is a lazy deliberate shoehorner promoting his favorite shows by mentioning what he sees as cool trope, other is a a careful true-to-the-spirit self-criticizing contributor who makes sure he doesn't add something that doesn't belong.

We should probably dispose of or rework first troper's edits to the articles and be thankful to the second for his polished pearls of wisdom. One problem. How do you identify which of them is which? Is there some sort of certification to be found? Is there a pacifying braincontrolling chip that prevents today's-good-man from kicking a dog tomorrow?

Long story short: you don't know anything about other tropers. Just forget about all that inherent maliciousness or whatnot. You should be wary of any edits. And since you don't know the tropers, take the approach opposite of Ad Hominem, attack the logic. And to attack logic, you should be able to see it. Logic can be seen if it's being demonstrated. And demonstration of logic behind assignment of tropes to works is what the proper context is doing. What part of the works is it that you summarize as instance of the trope.

edited 28th May '14 10:35:01 PM by NemuruMaeNi

STRX Since: Jul, 2013
#690: May 29th 2014 at 3:22:32 PM

[up] So if I explain why Christopher's a foil, will it be added? Yes or no?

NemuruMaeNi Since: Apr, 2014
#691: Jun 2nd 2014 at 10:55:36 PM

Added by whom? Me? — No.

Others? — No idea.

You? — Don't ask me.

From the poor excuse of a research I did just now, reading a few paragraphs from other wikis, Jeremy looks more of a Lancer to Mikey than Cristopher does, the open rivalry between the former two could probably be played with in the actual story.

But since it looks like for some [defying a favorable explanation] reason you excluded digimons from The Team members count, I think there is absolutely no chance for meeting Five-Man Band criteria. Numbers are way off.

I was about to say something along the lines of people here not giving a damn though, based on how the page description was misleading and music examples numbered like a hundred over there last time I checked. But the number did go down to less than 50. So people probably do care somewhat at least. Therefore, I would like to discourage you from adding an example, when it's a pain concocting a description accounting for the necessary team attributes.

FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#692: Jun 3rd 2014 at 7:17:10 AM

Nemuru Mae Ni, the revision you suggested above seems to be just more words saying the exact same thing.

Imma do a little edit on the Five-Man Band description to bring to a little more focus to the definition, though.

eta:

Which I have now done. I pulled all the "associated" character tropes, because they aren't, really. Associated, that is, and they were just causing trouble in people's minds. I think we should go through the examples and pull out anything that uses one of those "associated" character types to fill out the Five. They are contributing the most to the wedge-it-in problem.

edited 3rd Jun '14 7:38:17 AM by FastEddie

Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
kerani Since: Jul, 2012
#693: Jun 4th 2014 at 6:21:38 AM

Howdy - doing a name-space move on Tracy Moore Productions to Creator. Can the wick to Main.Tracy Moore Productions (under Five-Man Band.Film) be changed, please?

edited 4th Jun '14 6:21:56 AM by kerani

TheOneWhoTropes Dread Sorcerer of Auchtermuchty from Newton-le-willows, quaint town Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Dread Sorcerer of Auchtermuchty
#694: Jun 11th 2014 at 3:32:01 AM

[up]You want edit requests for locked pages in frequently asked questions - here's the link [1]

That'll put you at the bottom of the thread (or near the bottom) so you can make your new post.

edited 11th Jun '14 3:32:15 AM by TheOneWhoTropes

Keeper of The Celestial Flame
NemuruMaeNi Since: Apr, 2014
#695: Jun 19th 2014 at 3:43:16 AM

Grandia II - six zero-context entries, hero as the lead. Members contribution doesn't fall into templates. They all are fighters (Elena and Millenia have magic girl tones). Skye, the talking bird companion (pet/combo-attacks/life counselling/scripted scene limited transportation and scouting), gets conveniently forgotten to get the headcount. Elena and Millenia don't even properly see each other until quite late in the game, and Millenia is really hard a foil to Elena, not Ryudo. Party size is 4 people. The alleged Big Guy, Mareg, has a really short service time to make solid team part. Roan takes a leave for quite a while.

edited 19th Jun '14 3:54:10 AM by NemuruMaeNi

rexpensive Since: Feb, 2014
Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#697: Jun 19th 2014 at 9:05:11 AM

Does indeed sound like a cut: Don't fit the archetypes; numbers have to be jiggered to make it fit; no team dynamic; not four guys and a girl... That's missing way too many of the requirements.

edited 19th Jun '14 9:05:43 AM by Madrugada

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#698: Jun 26th 2014 at 11:27:55 PM

Got a questionable example on Fury added by a ~Tank50us.

  • Five-Man Band: Considering this is a film about a Sherman tank, which had a five man crew, this is bound to come up.
    • Commander: Wardaddy
    • The Rookie: Norman Ellison
    • Gunner: Boyd Swan
    • Driver: Trini Garcia
    • Loader: Grady Travis

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
rexpensive Since: Feb, 2014
#699: Jun 27th 2014 at 8:49:11 AM

Which is which? They do not list the character types.


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