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Five-Man Band has been receiving a lot of misuse. As was concluded in this TRS thread, it needs a massive cleanup. There are over 30 subpages and almost 3500 wicks to be gone through. This thread is for organizing the cleanup effort and discussing any and all examples to be added and cut.

What is correct use of the trope?

  • All five character types/roles (The Leader, The Lancer, The Smart Guy, The Big Guy, The Chick) must be present.
  • The characters must be part of a team, that is, a team dynamic must exist between members of the band.
  • There must be exactly 5 team members
  • The Chick must be female, and there must be no more than one other girl (i.e. four guys and a girl, or two girls and three guys).note 
  • None of the characters can "cover" more than one role.
  • No shoehorning. This includes:
    • Assigning a character to a role just because the other characters on the team fit Five-Man Band roles. The character must actually fit the role; four out of five isn't good enough.
    • Needing to write an essay to justify why a character counts as one of the roles. The fit should be fairly straightforward and easy to explain, not forced.
    • Assigning "extra" members of the team to non-Five-Man Band roles. Everyone in the team must fit one of the Five-Man Band roles, or it's not this trope. Note that Sixth Ranger is not one of the Five-Man Band roles.
    • Ignoring members of the team to list "just the ones that fit". If the team is larger than five, then it's not a Five-Man Band. Period.

Please note, the gender restrictions have been decided by Fast Eddie. If you think they should be changed, take it up (politely) with him. Arguing over it in this thread is pointless and only wastes all of our time.

Also note, The Hero has been replaced by The Leader (to more accurately reflect the team role). When cleaning wicks, remember to switch to The Hero to The Leader in trope listings.

Format for examples

In an effort to cut down on misuse as well as get rid of all the Zero Context Examples, we are trying to shift all examples to the following format. If you are familiar with a current work and can do a writeup for it, please do so and post it here. If you are proposing an example, please present it in this format.

The sandbox for sorting examples is here.


Completed

Subpages:

  • Other (Moved and redirected to a Just for Fun page, as that is what is was acting as.)

Still needs work

Subpages:

Wicks (Related To page):

  • A-Z

I will keep this post updated with the progress made, and any other needed information.

Edited by Willbyr on Feb 20th 2019 at 1:27:53 PM

nrjxll Relationship Status: Not war
Jun 20th 2012 at 8:19:33 PM

Five-Man Band found in: 3497 articles, excluding discussions.

HOLY -

...I think I'm going to come back and start this tomorrow.

lu127 Paper Master from 空蝉丸
Jun 21st 2012 at 8:18:40 AM

Anyone know anything about the examples left on Anime A-D?

Feather7603 Devil's Advocate from Yggdrasil
Jun 21st 2012 at 8:25:46 AM

I mentioned I had concerns about a few that haven't been addressed:

Other than those, I think we're in the clear, unless someone wants to have another look. At the very least, it's much better than previously.

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Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Jun 21st 2012 at 2:30:29 PM

Okay, let's see what I can do with the webcomics subpage.

Eight Bit Theatre - clear shoehorn; they require lengthy explanations and are actually a four-man team (and I use the term "team" lightly here).

Arthur King Of Time And Space - eight people is not a five man band

Bomberman Land Parody - Critter County - The Crossoverlord - Drow Tales - El Goonish Shive - ditto

Exterminatus Now - four-man team (Jamailla is never actually part of their team) and the roles are shoehorned

Fans - characters with multiple roles

Girl Genius - three-man team with a love interest, and those aren't the main characters of the comic anyway.

Home Stuck - troll blue team has characters on multiple roles; troll combined team is way too big. Post-scratch kids is only four.

The Inexplicable Adventures Of Bob - more than six

Jewel Vixens - Newshounds - ditto

Least I Could Do - not a 'team' by any stretch of the word

Looking For Group - characters in multiple roles

Order Of The Stick - the order of the Scribble is speculation since these characters don't actually appear in the comic long enough to figure out their group dynamics

RPG World - Supernormal Step - The Wotch - more than six

The Wotch Cheer - only four, and roles don't fit

...whew!

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Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Jun 21st 2012 at 2:33:19 PM

Also, we should remove The Medic as a viable "extra role" from the main Five-Man Band page.

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Feather7603 Devil's Advocate from Yggdrasil
Jun 21st 2012 at 2:41:26 PM

[up]You mean, as in that it's generally one of the ones in the main team? If it's someone outside the team, it's usually someone in Mission Control. Which really is an addition you find every now and then.

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Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Jun 21st 2012 at 2:47:15 PM

[up] Well, yes. The main page says The Medic is usually The Smart Guy, and almost always when I encounter the medic it's a shoehorn to put a seventh or eighth character on the five-man roster.

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Feather7603 Devil's Advocate from Yggdrasil
Jun 21st 2012 at 3:24:06 PM

[up]If it's not an auxilary role within their Smart Guy or Chick, and not an actual auxilary character, I'd delete them.

I did a wick check for those mentioned in FiveManBand.AnimeA-D we deleted (which I forgot before). Several of them didn't have the trope there anyway, which suggests a weak example to me, or someone who just wanted to list them on the page.

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Nocturna Seeking for Light
Seeking for Light
Jun 21st 2012 at 7:33:04 PM

Should we leave the few examples we still have questions over undecided for now and move on to Anime E-H?

Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Jun 22nd 2012 at 4:38:58 AM

Being not familiar with any of the anime series, I must say that the following strike me as possibly incorrect:

Dot Hack Legend Of The Twilight: that the smart guy is a healer is not a "subversion"; however that the chick has the attack magic strikes me as wrong, doesn't that make her the big guy?

Azumanga Daioh, Bobobo Bobobo Bobo: more than six people.

Bubblegum Crisis: if the big guy is only listed "by process of elimination" then that's by definition a shoehorn.

Crayon Shin Chan: too many people, confusing explanations, duplicate roles.

Digi Mon: too many people, in all subsets

Dinosaur King: ditto

So I think we should look into these and possibly remove them.

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lu127 Paper Master from 空蝉丸
Jun 22nd 2012 at 4:48:26 AM

The first and last subsets of Digimon are only six people, it's just that they've added random jargon.

Chosen Children (Adventure 02)

The LeaderDavis/Daisuke Motomiya
The LancerT.K./Takeru Takaishi (first half)
The HeartT.K./Takeru (second half)
The Big GuyCody/Iori Hida (also with the "actually the smallest" subversion; sometimes The Smart Guy)
The Smart GuyYolei/Miyako Inoue (sometimes The Big Guy)
The ChickKari Kamiya/Yagami Hikari
The MentorThe previous Chosen
Sixth RangerKen Ichijouji (who becomes The Lancer in the second half)

Here, we can axe the Mentors, since they aren't part of the band. T.K. as The Heart is incorrect. He's always The Lancer.

edited 22nd Jun '12 4:50:37 AM by lu127

Feather7603 Devil's Advocate from Yggdrasil
Jun 22nd 2012 at 9:27:34 AM

Yeah, when I looked through the list, I ignored all extras, unless they were clearly a part of the team, and that pushed them above six members.

However, we might as well remove them, as they're not relevant to the trope. It's just an exuse for people to list more characters. If they feel so strongly that these characters have to remain on the page, I'd say it's doubtful they're not actually on the team, which breaks from the trope, and thus makes the entire example ineligible.

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Nocturna Seeking for Light
Seeking for Light
Jun 22nd 2012 at 10:27:24 AM

@Spark 9: Keep in mind that when counting people, only the number counted under the core five roles count towards the six-person limit, as the other character roles are by definition aren't part of the core team; they're more hangers-on. Only if the extra people are actually core members of the team would it disqualify a band from Five-Man Band.

However, good catch on the Dinosaur King one; that's ten people shoved in there. I'm deleting that one.

Xtifr World's Toughest Milkman Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
Jun 22nd 2012 at 12:32:54 PM

Great Ghu! The Barack Obama page has Five-Man Band! *headdesk*

edited 22nd Jun '12 12:33:12 PM by Xtifr

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Telcontar In uffish thought from England
SeptimusHeap Token Good Teammate from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Jun 22nd 2012 at 12:43:07 PM

[up]It has No Real Life Examples Please, and while Barack Obama allows some troping, Five-Man Band surely doesn't fall under that.

Feather7603 Devil's Advocate from Yggdrasil
Jun 22nd 2012 at 2:51:09 PM

Dinosaur King was actually a proper example. There were two names for each character, not ten characters in the band. I put it back.

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Nocturna Seeking for Light
Seeking for Light
Jun 22nd 2012 at 6:26:47 PM

[up] Oops. Sorry. This is why it's important to have people who know the works helping us. XD

Feather7603 Devil's Advocate from Yggdrasil
Jun 22nd 2012 at 7:57:44 PM

I didn't; I just looked it up. tongue I got suspicious because it just looked too neatly doubled up, especially with the matching surnames, and western/eastern names.

edited 22nd Jun '12 7:58:02 PM by Feather7603

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DoKnowButchie from San Juan, Puerto Rico.
Jun 23rd 2012 at 3:28:55 AM

It's actually not: The series starts as a three-person group—Rex, Max, and Zoey—along with their three dinosaurs. Spike Taylor and Reese Drake are like Zordon and Alpha 5 in the original Power Rangers—constant allies and series regulars, but not part of the same unit: note that in the series' second arc, only the initial three are seen in every episode; Spike is kidnapped along with all the other parents and appears only occasionally, while Reese remains behind in the present and appears even less.

edited 23rd Jun '12 10:31:30 AM by DoKnowButchie

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Feather7603 Devil's Advocate from Yggdrasil
Jun 23rd 2012 at 7:06:16 AM

[up]How often are they a full team? I don't think they need to be that at the start (allowing for introductions and such, which may take a few episodes), nor all seasons (especially as later seasons often mess with the team dynamics). From the descriptions of a few episodes I read, it seemed like that was how they acted.

Cutting it for that reason is completely different than cutting it for being too many.

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Nocturna Seeking for Light
Seeking for Light
Jun 23rd 2012 at 10:35:26 AM

What should we do about the examples that seem questionable (particularly the three in post 28) but that we don't really have enough information to make an informed decision on? Do we cut them (reducing the likelihood of leaving bad examples up), or leave them in, leave them as discussion points, and hope someone with familiarity comes along (reducing the likelihood of cutting good examples)?

edited 23rd Jun '12 10:35:53 AM by Nocturna

Feather7603 Devil's Advocate from Yggdrasil
Jun 23rd 2012 at 10:40:39 AM

Well, we still have a lot of work before the trope is cleaned. We can make a note, and move on to the next page.

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SeptimusHeap Token Good Teammate from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Jun 23rd 2012 at 10:42:54 AM

[up][up]My stance is to cut every unambiguous example (or to port it to the discussion page) to avoid any misuse bait.

DoKnowButchie from San Juan, Puerto Rico.
Jun 23rd 2012 at 11:13:53 AM

Re: Dinosaur King: They all know each other from the start, and are a constant presence on the show during its first arc; however, unlike the main three, they don't appear in every episode, and are very rarely on the field, since neither has dinosaurs and therefore can't be teleported. Reece's role is to keep the team informed of any new dinosaurs that crop up and to keep the teleporter running; very occasionally, she'll introduce new tech. Spike is just there because he knows what's going on and has his own interest in dinosaurs; what's more, his contribution to the team tends to be his knowledge and connections rather than any sort of physical ability expected of The Big Guy—the heavy physical lifting is usually done by the dinosaurs themselves.

ETA: Here's the original Japanese opening. Note how Reece and Spike are both given different types of shots as the rest of them, and how those tend to include Aki, who's also a series regular but is kept locked out of the loop.

edited 23rd Jun '12 11:20:24 AM by DoKnowButchie

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