Real Life People Cleanup Project

And works.

Works can require quick summary just as much as tropes. I don't see why we can't create a laconic for a controversial figure that briefly sums up their work, and if necessary the reason behind their controversy. If they have no creative work we can reference in a laconic then there's no reason for them to be here, after all.. Not every laconic needs to be witty; we can and have made something straightforward.

Edited by mightymewtron on Aug 15th 2020 at 4:12:20 AM

Here's my new Pædo Hunt laconic:

When the bad guys are pedophiles.

That sounds rather too laconic, and is exactly the reason why I think we shouldn't have them.

This last bit on VerySpecialEpisode.Western Animation seems to imply questionable things about Trey Parker's feelings about women. (Highlighted in color)

• "Eat, Pray, Queef", one of the show's more Anvilicious episodes, played out like a 20-minute women's rights tract. However, it's hard to tell if it's a sincere pro-feminist message or a parody of it. It might be the latter, considering that Trey Parker's track record with women includes an abusive sister and an unfaithful ex-fiancee.

Edited by mightymewtron on Aug 18th 2020 at 1:08:50 PM

The implications there are yikes. I'd cut that.

TMI.

It would honestly be impossible to tell from a show that is all about mocking everyone and everything. You'd need more evidence from outside the show at the very least, more than that example is providing.

Not sure if it fits here, but I was messaged by a friend of Creator.Goth Nebula, claiming 99% of the examples on that page are misinterpretations of the text and defamations against her by me^note this stemmed from an incident in which I took a statement in one of her fanfics too literally and accused it of homophobic implications, and then added a Homoerotic Subtext example to the article when that was plain misuse and demanded that the only content on the text be "titles of her fanfics and copies of her summaries". I have been told GothNebula suffers anxiety attacks from the existance of the page.

Is this against The Fic May Be Yours, but the Trope Page Is Ours? Is there anything on the page that I need to fix?

That sounds like something you would better leave up to an impartial troper, perhaps even the mods.

As a rule though, tropes should be about the work, not the person. Also, I don't think authors get a say in how we trope their work any more than their readers do.

Well, for one thing, if my TV Tropes page referred to my fanfics as So Bad, It's Good, I might not have an anxiety attack, but I would definitely be discouraged and might just stop writing them.

But anyway, there's some tropes that could be seen as critical of the writer (such as Black-and-White Morality and Author Tract), and there's issues with indentation (such as with Driven to Suicide; all tropes should get their own first-level bullet rather than being a subbullet for another trope), but I'm not seeing anything too bad on the page.

Also, PrincessPandaTrope, didn't you get blocked by GothNebula on DeviantArt? I feel like that should be an indication that you're putting too much effort into trying to trope her fanfics and you should give it a rest.

Incidentally, this isn't the first time that a creator has requested that we take down our page on them because people talking about them on the internet gives them anxiety attacks. And, uh, if that's really the case, then I have to wonder why they decided to become fanfic writers in the first place. If you post things on the internet, then of course people on the internet are going to talk about you.

It was me talking about this.

The blocking is a result of the "homophobia incident" I talked about which was a result of misunderstanding. She was put up with the page in the general.

Edited by PrincessPandaTrope on Oct 7th 2020 at 11:41:32 AM

I'm not sure I agree with that. People have the right to write and post it on the internet without being harassed for it by their fans. Saying they should just grow a thicker skin is just victim blaming.

And not every fanfic writer writes for the spotlight.

So what should we do?

(I wasn't trying to harass, but end of that story.)

Edited by PrincessPandaTrope on Oct 7th 2020 at 1:11:00 PM

I mean... are we harassing her? I'm not saying that creators should accept harassment, I'm saying that they should be prepared for people to discuss their work, and I'm not seeing much in the way of harassment on the page (other than the So Bad, It's Good remark I've already pointed out).

Edit: I just looked at the YMMV page, and uh, I can see the issue. Some of the entries there, like Growing the Beard and So Bad, It's Good, do feel kind of complainy, while Uncanny Valley is just bashing the art style (an art style I don't see a problem with, by the way), and it had a Snark Bait entry at one point. But I have to wonder how much of the page is audience reactions and how much is one person's reactions, as 56 of the page's 64 edits were made by PrincessPandaTrope.

Edited by Serac on Oct 7th 2020 at 1:22:38 PM

Actually, I was thinking about a different person who asked us to remove content about them. Not the issue here.

But really, there plenty of authors who get negative opinions written about them. Unless these are unfair or some form of creator bashing, I don't see how they have any claim against them.

If you put your work into the public, it will be read and criticized. If you can't take that, you shouldn't publish it.

Fair enough.

Clearly not all writers realize what they are getting into publishing their work online.

Got more messages from the same friend which claimed GothNebula's other friends shared the same sentiment of being very disturbed by the article. I feel like wanting to attach a commented-out notice on the page.

Anyway to improve YMMV.Goth Nebula? I was embarrassed by Serac's response and obliterated the Growing the Beard and Uncanny Valley examples.

This all sounds like a blatant violation of our rules about special treatment for authors, honestly. I'm sorry for this person if they're being upset by negative reactions on the page, but this is true: if you make a work available for the general public to read, then people will have reactions to it.

Panda, You said this person's a controversial figure in certain fandom circles, right? It's not just your personal bias? Then we're allowed to document the factors that make her controversial on her work page. That's why we have the YMMV tab. Just try to avoid getting too personal or adding fuel to the fandom fire.

Yes, I agree it needs to be neutral in tone. YMMV is not for bashing.

Trivia.Idina Menzel needs to have some of its entries moved to Creator.Idina Menzel, and the other entries deleted.

I moved the trivia entries to the main Idina Mendel page.

Edited by gjjones on Oct 17th 2020 at 1:37:04 PM

As reported in Ask The Tropers, YMMV.AOA and Music.AOA have huge sections about a RL controversy that might be inappropriate for the wiki.