Real Life People Cleanup Project

Yeah a certain troper is quite aggressively defending Vic and attacking Funimation.

Edited by randomtroper89 on Feb 5th 2020 at 12:57:48 PM

Going through the Ho Yay pages, HoYay.Music is virtually nothing but of misuse and real life troping.

Ho Yay is No Real Life Examples, Please!. Scrub away anything that doesn't fit.

I stumbled upon Rooster Teeth wich is basically about troping the staff members of a studio.

WMG.Michael Jackson is troping real life.

Yeah, it just seems to be a collection of wild conspiracy theories. Cut.

Series.American Idol and YMMV.American Idol probably have a lot of real-life troping.

Yeah, that seems very likely. We should probably break out the heavy duty lawn mower for that one.

We really should make a guideline on how we want to trope works with real life people as opposed to actors, like game shows and such.

Edited by Redmess on Apr 26th 2020 at 3:54:59 PM

I agree.

Agreed. Pages like WhatAnIdiot.Jeopardy are so full of red-flags, it's not even funny.

Awesome.Judge Judy has it even worse: I just removed these bits of natter that are tangential to the show itself and celebrate Real Life people dying. These have also had past iterations with similarly disgusting content:

• (Describe lawsuit here.)
  • As of March 25, 2017, the woman's son has been arrested for attempting to assault and rape a woman. He's now facing 38 years to life in prison. More testament to his mother's parenting skills.
• (Description of lawsuit where a eBay seller scammed someone out of $300 for photographs of 2 iPhones.)
  • Sure, the defendant didn't have to pay that money.^note The production team pays from a $5,000 "pot", with whatever remains being divided between the participants. If the ruling's for the maximum amount, as it was here, the loser gets nothing. But there's a consequence all the same: the loss of dignity. Having millions of people watch you on TV after Judge Judy finds out you tried to scam someone will wreak havoc on your personal life when your family and friends find out.
    • Employers these days will look up your name on the web, usually for your Facebook/Twitter account, and for any criminal records on your person. The defendant was forever marked not only as a scammer, but as "the scammer Judge Judy ripped apart on national TV". Since then, she went to prison, lost custody of her children, divorced from her husband, and went into hiding once she got out of jail. Kelli Filkins, The "E Bay Scammer" killed herself in January 2017.

Agreed, that stuff definitely needs to go.

Creator.Stephen Fry — the article is very gushy, gossipy and had some real-life troping (troping a creator's life and treating him like a fictional character).

I tried to tone down the gushing and I removed some real life troping, but it most likely needs more help.

Hey there. I just have a quick question in general: would cleaning out trivia pages and moving trivia items from creator pages to work pages (such as Uncredited Role, Mr. Fanservice) count as part of the cleanup project?

For example, Aidan Gillen has a trivia section that may need to be looked at to see if some of them can be moved back to the creator page or the work pages.

Also, as what nombretomado pointed out to me in one of the ATT discussions regarding Funimation, some of the trivia tropes pertaining to their works can be moved to the appropriate work page if there is one.

Thanks.

Edited by gjjones on May 5th 2020 at 2:16:15 PM

We definitely need to curate the Music/ pages better. In cleaning up Snark Bait wicks, I discovered that a bunch of them are openly troping the musicians, and in addition, are full of subjectives about their work and the musicians themselves.

That, I worry, will require a separate project thread if it aligns with my thoughts.

Music.Tokio Hotel (randomly found page for ZCE cleanup) had lots of troping real life.

Just noting some cleanup. Music pages are notoriously bad for troping real people as if they're fictional.

Edited by XFllo on Jun 19th 2020 at 1:51:01 PM

Yeah, I noticed that once too when doing wick cleaning. It was...honestly disturbing, considering I was working on Snark Bait at the time.

I deleted a Take That! entry about a real life event involving them.

There's a lot of real-person troping about Doug, Rob, etc. on WebVideo.The Nostalgia Critic, which is okay when it's about the tropes they discuss on their vlogs and such, but gets especially dodgy on YMMV.The Nostalgia Critic. I'm bringing this particular section here because I'm uncertain about the character/actor line- it's Critic (the character) joking about his body, and some of these examples might count with that context, but the talk about how Doug is actually "too skinny" unsettles me. Also some of this refers to fans calling the actors fat which feels like misuse.

• Hollywood Pudgy:
  • Doug's a skinny guy, but he's got enough puppy fat to piss people off. Parodied in the Chick/Critic crossover of The Chipmunk Adventure when he mentions his manboobs and lifts up his shirt to reveal a perfectly slim chest.
  • In an episode of Pop Quiz Hotshot, Critic squickily enjoys having an eating disorder and intentionally throwing up food.
  • Invoked in "Nostalgia Critic Talks Transformers 4", as he asides that he eats junk food and pats his non-existent double chin saying he's not the skinniest guy, but Doug had admitted in Momocon that he Forgets to Eat so much that people are starting to think he's sick.
  • Tamara gets a lot of crappy comments about her weight (which really isn't that heavy, she's just shorter than her co-workers) but unlike Doug she'll usually mock anyone who insults her like that.
  • Played for Laughs in The Monster Squad with Jason, as he's supposed to be the fat kid but Critic complains he's supposed to weigh fifty more pounds. Rob then takes his role, and while he's the former in his Fat and Skinny thing with Doug, that's only because Doug is far too skinny. Rob is actually a reasonable weight.
  • In Christmas with the Kranks, Santa Christ pointedly calls 2007-Critic overweight when he isn't really. The behind the scenes push harder, with Doug saying he needed other clothes because he couldn't just double chin it all the time, and he would have got baggier jeans if he'd had more time.

People are pissed off because he has puppy fat? What?

Nuke it.

A Vocal Minority of Critic fans have always been...er... a little over-eager, to put it nicely.

Yeah, since most of Doug's other work (and some of Tamara's independent work, which should just be migrated here) is lumped into the Nostalgia Critic pages, as well as the behind-the-scenes Nostalgia Critic videos, there's a lot of real-person troping, and the nature of the show (since the Critic is Doug's kayfabe, but a lot of videos are still basically Doug's thoughts) makes it difficult to determine whether an example counts as real-life troping or not, especially when it comes to YMMV entries about things Critic said.

But then there will be examples speculating that Rob is an abusive brother because he pretended to choke Doug one time, or making overly personal comments about Doug's weight and mental health, and that's pretty obviously the kind of material we can cut.

Edited by mightymewtron on Jul 11th 2020 at 8:50:44 AM

Oh, the main Hollywood Pudgy page also has more examples from Channel Awesome, and unlike the examples on the NC page there's no doubt these can be cut because they're referring to the real life producers. (It's also referring to fans finding them fat rather than other characters treating them as fat in the work itself, which again is not the trope.) Already deleted it, but worth showing here.

• Circa late 2010, critics of Channel Awesome griped that a number of the site's popular video producers — including The Nostalgia Critic, Spoony, The Nostalgia Chick, MarzGurl, Linkara, and The Cinema Snob — had become unattractively overweight.^note  Specific comments included "It's like a company fitness plan in reverse", "Doug just gets older and fatter every year", and "Spoony's been blowing up like Violet Beauregarde" (the last of which was spoken by an obese individual). At the time, none of the individuals in question qualified as medically overweight, let alone obese.
  • Regarding MarzGurl, she was described as "overweight, terribe (sic) hair, odd clothing, and her face resembles squirrel". Her response? "The only thing I disagree with is the overweight thing." She has since lost quite a bit of weight — such that even trolls who mocked her appearance before have admitted that she looks "cute".
  • Both Doug and Lindsay have lampshaded and mocked this in their own ways, with the latter giving her character Weight Woe and a Plain Jane complex when she's clearly seen by others as attractive, and the former increasing his Shirtless Scenes. Linkara has also inserted a number of fat jokes into his later videos (such as having a villain address him as "you fat piece of crap").
  • Unfortunately, Doug may have walked into the trap himself in 2012, as he randomly called himself "fat" in an interview and was more than happy to look this thin after being way too hard on his body in the To Boldly Flee shooting. He was also very pointed (more so in behind the scenes) about considering his old self overweight in the Christmas with the Kranks review.
  • The same can be said for Brad Jones, who (after his marriage ended in divorce) lost so much weight that viewers began to speculate that he had a terminal illness. (It didn't help that he shaved his head around that same time.)
  • Tamara Chambers will get a lot of shitty comments about her weight, but she knows she's a healthy size for her height and will mock them right back.

Edited by mightymewtron on Jul 11th 2020 at 9:17:20 AM

That is all clear misuse of the trope, in addition. Hollywood Pudgy is about fat characters being played by not-so-fat actors.

I think we need to look over Laci Green. I just had to delete an example that discussed her "recent" relationship with Chris Ray Gun as "Dating Catwoman", and the page is in pretty bad shape in general. I didn't even look at the subpages.