edit:never mind: He was involved in the creation of some interesting characters(or rather potentially interesting characters). I never saw anything in Domino(long shot, with an eyespot!) but people keep using her for Deadpool fodder and that's funny. I never would have gotten Deadpool's personality out of him either but someone had a vision.
Then there are some that seemed obvious, obvious of what you could do with Tempo, but she died without fan fare, obvious that Forearm should be erased from continuity, but they kept on using him.
edited 17th Jun '12 10:07:38 AM by Cider
Modified Ura-nage, Torture RackYeah, the "anatomy books at the convention" thing was just stupid. What was the intention? To make Liefeld cry? What did the doofus doing that hope to accomplish?
Describing Liefeld as a pin-up artist (though not a particularly good one, as there are some truly great pin-up artists out there) is a pretty good summation. He seldom seems inclined to have his characters doing anything other than posing. His work just doesn't really have any depth; it all seems to be about initial impact; you're supposed to get the impression and move on to the next panel, and not dwell too long over any one illustration.
Not to join in the Liefeld bashing(I feel it really over-marketed on the internet), but I can't believe that earlier list passed without noting how he draws legs, and calfs in particular. I have all the artistic ability of a cured ham, and less interest really, yet even as a child, I was all, "Legs don't work that way."
Creed of the Happy Pessimist:Always expect the worst. Then, when it happens, it was only what you expected. All else is a happy surprise.I would like to understand better why a generation of artists copied his style when it had so many glaring flaws. Was he just the first artist at the right time to capture the sudden demand for what we now call '90s Anti-Hero, giving a new, rougher look to characters?
About cartoony looks: a big part of the problem is that unlike many manga or Asterix, his art tries to go for realism, but then gets the proportions and joints badly wrong. It creates a bad combination that leaps to the eye as just wrong, comparable to the Uncanny Valley.
A blog that gets updated on a geological timescale.gray 64: i still say the book thing was probably to tell liefeld to improve and give him material that could help him. we really dont know the actual intentions and as jerkish as it sounds to do that to an artist theyre still a chance it wasnt to do harm. >_> seriously who would spend money on those books if all they wanted to do was insult him they could have easily just looked at an image of his and inform him of every single little flaw. its cheaper and probably causes more damage
http://devildart.deviantart.comIt probably would have been best if he'd done it in private. But no, he had written about the whole sordid thing on the web, letting people (even some self-admitted Liefled haters, IIRC) fume about it in the comments. If he thought that he'd get widespread support for that, he gravely mistaken.
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I'm pretty sure the guy was trolling. He was being a dick, plain and simple.
With most of the founders of Image (Jim Lee, Todd Mc Farlane, Eric Larsen, etc.), I can understand why their artwork is appealing to people. However, Liefeld is an enigma to me. I have no idea why this guy became popular. Supporters of him mention that his artwork has "energy". What do they mean by that?
edited 19th Jun '12 2:32:48 PM by DS9guy
I don't think it's energy, because his figures are always very rigid and still. They don't have a sense of motion or fluid power; even a jumping guy looks like he's suspended in mid-air. Again, it's like they're just posing at all times. Mc Farlane was good at portraying nervous, frantic motion like Spidey's webslinging, and Lee can choreographe decent fight scenes. Liefeld... not so much.
Maybe the word they should use is intensity. That, I can see, although it's the kind of clenched teeth intensity a Dragon Ball Z character makes while grunting and powering up.
In the late 80's/early 90's, DC tried him out on a couple of things and he showed a lot of promise. His early Hawk and Dove work, with Karl Kesel as his inker, is actually pretty good. A great many people have opined that Kesel was fixing most of Liefeld's glaring errors, however...And there was as well Liefeld's tendency to rip off other artist's layouts —he took the opening pages of X-Force #1 directly from one of George Perez's sequences from The New Teen Titans (of which Liefeld apparently was a huge fan...Youngblood was originally supposed to be Titans West, and Shaft was supposed to be Roy Harper/ Speedy).
I looked for a Rob Liefeld thread. There was none. I just found that Captain America (and nude extrapolation) hilarious.
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PS. How is Leifeld any worse than Mike Deodato, really?
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@Bear Scary: Did you write this
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edited 24th Jun '12 9:16:21 PM by JAF1970
Jonah FalconJAF1970: Unfortunately, no. ^_^ I love that list that Progressive Boink did, though, and was thrilled/horrified to see that they did a sequel.
Or Ian Churchill
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A funny thing I noticed in one of the examples
◊ in the original "40 Worst Liefeld Drawings" article that the writers didn't mention: look at the positioning of Warpath and Juggernaut's right foot. I think Warpath is supposed to look so small because of perspective, but if you look at Juggernaut's foot, it goes behind him. So either Warpath is tiny or Juggernaut has one crazy-ass long leg.
Liefeld is one of those artists I can't get pissed off about. Personally, I think one of his defining traits (besides the lack of feet) is the "Liefeld Scowl." Nobody smiles in his comics. They're always glowering, yelling, and snarling. There should be a contest at comic book conventions to see who could do the best "Liefeld Scowl." Who else agrees?
I have one major problem with that article.
It posts an image of a gorilla firing a gun in each limb as an example of something stupid, instead of posting it as an example of something awesome. Because you cannot tell me that it's not awesome. If you can look at that image of Gorilla Man with a gun in both hands and both feet, and you don't love it, then I'm pretty sure it's because you're a robot and thus incapable of feeling emotion. And even then, you should be able to look at that picture and say, "Yes, this is objectively awesome. If I were capable of emotion, I would no doubt be feeling an overwhelming sense of joy."
So, really, the only reason not to love it is because you suck, and you don't deserve the privilege of seeing such pure, undistilled awesome.
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that probably has to do a little with him working with others its obvious in some cases that hell draw out whats going on but forget a few details and adds them in after everything else is done this normally does ruin the fluidity a bit. for all we know he could be decent in the story department :\ he needs to leave the art side of it though if hes not going to bother improving that much
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