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Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#2076: Apr 24th 2015 at 12:55:22 PM

I've wondered whether things like "Let's Get Serious" were Self-Deprecation or Take That, Audience!.

Probably a little of both.

Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#2077: Apr 24th 2015 at 3:51:16 PM

I wish "Video Game References" was entirely about Starfire's adventures in the Lands of Hyrule. None of the other sequences were half as entertaining.

NegaKingKix The Absolute Madman from That one place we don't talk about anymore Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
The Absolute Madman
#2078: Apr 30th 2015 at 3:14:43 PM

Even though the premise was weird and crazy, I just have to say Simpsons Already Did It.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#2079: May 1st 2015 at 7:45:35 AM

Treating the lack of development of the characters as a flaw doesn't sit right with me as the show clearly wasn't made for it.

This show relies heavily on Negative Continuity and the characters are very clearly not meant to change.

Thinking they should go as for with the jackassishness sometimes is one thing but it makes no sense for the show as is for the characters to actually change who they are or behave and acting as if it does is disingenuous.

I have no problem with people going after the shows writing but that's not an area I think can be reasonably attacked.

And no, before anyone says something like "well that's all fine and good but 'good writing' is..." I've not talking about the writing as a whole.

hcobb Since: Jan, 2001
#2080: May 1st 2015 at 9:46:58 AM

The characters change every episode, what they don't do is develop.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#2081: May 1st 2015 at 10:28:04 AM

[up]No they don't; what changes his how much a certain part of their personalities are exaggerated but nothing fundamental really changes about them.

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#2082: May 1st 2015 at 1:09:23 PM

The thing is, their lack of any actual change makes them one-note and repetitive quickly. Even in comedy, you shouldn't get away with being onedimensional, although it still works for the lowest common denominator standards.

edited 1st May '15 1:09:38 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#2083: May 1st 2015 at 4:29:27 PM

[up]Don't take this the wrong way but that last sentence comes off as very condescending.

I don't particularly care for the show, apart from not mind watching it when it comes on, and I don't particularly care if other people don't like it, but this thread of gives off the distinct impression "Well, it's stupid, unfunny, trash but if you like that sort of thing, that's fine so long as you know you're stupid."

And I'm assuming that's not the impression you mean to give but your posts come off that way, in general. Or that's my impression, at least.

edited 1st May '15 4:31:25 PM by LSBK

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#2084: May 1st 2015 at 6:32:45 PM

Eh, everyone likes some lowest common denominator thing or another. Because we all have parts of us that are like that. But that shouldn't mean we should pretend things that appeal to those parts of us are higher and more sophisticated/well thought than they actually are.

qtjinla15 Since: Dec, 2010
#2085: May 2nd 2015 at 10:07:08 AM

In other words, don't pretend one-dimensional drabble is better than it actually is.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#2086: May 2nd 2015 at 2:33:22 PM

Never said pretend things are better than you think they are, just don't be condescending about it, something this thread is bad at.

But on a different point, as much as a lot of people would hate to admit, quality is not an objective thing that can be defined by rigid standards. I would never call this show "great" and maybe not even "good" but also wouldn't call someone who would wrong.

So, yeah, both of the post above this one illustrate what I'm talking about.

edited 2nd May '15 2:41:11 PM by LSBK

NegaKingKix The Absolute Madman from That one place we don't talk about anymore Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
The Absolute Madman
#2087: May 2nd 2015 at 3:18:14 PM

I feel like because it's trying so hard to grab on to everyone with its brand of comedy, it loses most of the audience for doing what Bread Winners is also trying its best to do. Sometimes, too much IS too much!

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NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#2088: May 2nd 2015 at 6:50:20 PM

quality is not an objective thing that can be defined by rigid standards

That's a subjective statement itself.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#2089: May 2nd 2015 at 7:49:57 PM

[up]Fair enough, though I did mention that's it's something many people disagree on.

To be more specific in what I mean, quality can only be objective under very selective circumstances: discussing what a work is trying to achieve, setting a criteria on how to judge this, and get everyone who is going to be viewing it to agree to it. Something that's impossible for a television show.

You're free to have an opinion on this show, and I may even agree (or disagree) with any arguments you make but that doesn't mean that either of our opinions are objectively true because other people may very well be judging it on different things, or even the same things and be able to reasonable disagree with you.

I could go deeper into the matter but I don't really like making wall of text posts and I think this explains it fairly well.

edited 2nd May '15 11:00:15 PM by LSBK

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#2090: May 2nd 2015 at 8:11:19 PM

Congratulations, you've put more coherent and well reasoned thought into a single post than what the writing staff of GO! puts into a whole season. smile

edited 2nd May '15 8:11:48 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

NegaKingKix The Absolute Madman from That one place we don't talk about anymore Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
The Absolute Madman
#2091: May 2nd 2015 at 8:48:20 PM

Just so we're clear, we do know this series wasn't even meant for us Gen Xrs, right? So why debate about it at all? If you like it, you like it, even if no effort was ever put into the series.

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NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#2092: May 2nd 2015 at 8:57:38 PM

So why debate about it at all?

Because its continued survival and success while all other types of DC TV animation are summarily axed is a worrying symptom Warner/CN only want a single kind of superhero animation in television, instead of diversity (and before anyone says 'but Vixen!', it's sadly obvious that's a very risky gamble in an environment all too fast to screw over such enterprises).

Because trying to keep discussions restricted to 'target audiences' is only contributing to the multi-ghetto mentality that has plagued 'geek' genre fandoms so much, just for the sake of trying to avoid challenging stances some of us don't want to hear.

Because we're all adults (or at least mature enough people) discussing cartoons already, despite how society in general already lumps them all into the same 'For kids!' bag.

Because children's entertainment still needs to be quality children's entertainment, and while GO! is far from being the 'worst cartoon in the air at the time, it's still heavily riddled with problematic aspects.

NegaKingKix The Absolute Madman from That one place we don't talk about anymore Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
The Absolute Madman
#2093: May 2nd 2015 at 9:12:17 PM

I agree with you in all points, but shouldn't you tell that to the writing staff and see how well that goes? You can voice your opinion to me all night long, but that doesn't change the fact that I am still just a viewer. Telling this problem to CN/WB will have way more of an effect than it does here, even if very little changes.

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NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#2094: May 2nd 2015 at 9:18:48 PM

Well then, let's cancel every non-fanfiction TV Tropes discussion, since the actual creators won't be reading or caring about those either.

qtjinla15 Since: Dec, 2010
#2095: May 2nd 2015 at 11:56:48 PM

[up][up] Then why are you here? By your logic only target audience people should ever discuss any piece of media so why not just go to sites/forums dedicated to that bit of media that fits your demographic?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#2096: May 3rd 2015 at 1:36:09 AM

quality is not an objective thing that can be defined by rigid standards

That's a subjective statement itself.

Just a correction:

Since it is more of a definition, no - that statement is not subjective.

In general, if something is subjective by definition, then the fact that said thing is subjective is objective. This is something that actually comes up in This Very Wiki's YMMW tropes that goes ignored a bit (for example, if the fanbase of a is, legitimately, split or even warring over a certain detail, that the fanbase is a Broken Base is objective. However, the things that cause the fanbase to be Broken are subjective, hence the category placement).

edited 3rd May '15 1:37:34 AM by KnownUnknown

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#2097: May 3rd 2015 at 7:16:59 AM

if something is subjective by definition, then the fact that said thing is subjective is objective.

That's debatable and subjective as well.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#2098: May 5th 2015 at 12:39:31 PM

"Teen Titans GO!"...this generation's Monty Python's Flying Circus?

TL;DR: the guy likes it...even though he quitted on it after the first few episodes. But he got back into it when a friend of his who loves watching it with her son recommended it. Also said that people who whine about how it's not like its predecessor is entirely missing the point.

ScottPilgrim2013 Why aren't you laughing? from Arkham Asylum Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Why aren't you laughing?
#2099: May 5th 2015 at 12:55:53 PM

Complaining about it not being like the original show is a stupid complaint. I don't like this show but not for that reason whatsoever.

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Pat86 Since: Feb, 2011
#2100: May 8th 2015 at 5:22:43 PM

I've seen about a dozen episodes of this show now and I simply can't get into it. I had to give up. While I don't particularly care for the way this show has taken established characters and given them entirely different personalities (especially Robin), that's not my main criticism of it. This show could feature entirely original characters and it would still fall flat with me. No, my main problem with it is that I just don't find it funny. The characters are annoying and one-dimensional (and why the hell do their voice actors feel like they have to shout all their dialogue? Yelling doesn't make unfunny lines funnier.) and most of the humor is stupid and juvenile.

Well, I gave it a chance and it's not for me. If you like this program, then good. Personally, I have to pass on it.

edited 8th May '15 5:27:12 PM by Pat86


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