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A thread for all the miscellaneous Marvel discussion that doesn't have its own thread.

So apparently, they're making a Black Panther movie. Let's hope Hudlin is kept as far away as possible. On a related note, anyone think that the whole 'Super Hero that is also a King/Ruler' is kind of ridiculous? I mean where do heroes like Aquaman and T'Challa find the time to both lead a nation and go gallavanting on the other side of the globe?

Edited by Mrph1 on Sep 1st 2024 at 8:36:28 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#54001: Mar 31st 2022 at 3:34:39 PM

An unrelated bit, the new Iron Fist issue is out and it mentions the Pirate Queen IF as apart of a lesson to the new guy that its okay to not be a traditional IF.

The funny thing is the analogy is kinda flawed. Yes Wu Ao-Shi was exiled and blacklisted from Kun'Lun but because she chose to leave the city and settle in the outside world. Otherwise she is actually a traditional Iron Fist because she got the powers the standard way. She trained, she was chosen, and she defeated the dragon thus earning her the right to the power.

They should have picked someone whose origin is nontraditional cause thats the main problem with the new IF. He believes he is unworthy because he didn't gain the power via the normal means nor is he adequately trained for it.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
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#54002: Mar 31st 2022 at 4:16:20 PM

I quite liked it, but I want to see where Alyssa Wong goes with it. If the fact he's starting without the training and the ritual - that the dragon just gave him the power - is plot fuel, I'm good with that. It's a different starting point to Danny. The parallel to Wu Ao-Shi does seem a bit wobbly, as you say - it felt a bit like it was her purely because Jason Aaron's put some contradictory things about women serving as Iron Fist in Avengers and this was reestablishing the history. Not because it was relevant to the new guy.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#54003: Mar 31st 2022 at 9:13:54 PM

I think one reason superheroes haven't tried harder to stop Punisher (besides editorial of course) is because he's an ordinary non-powered human.

The one time he absconded with the War Machine Armor, damn near every Marvel hero goes after his ass to end his rampage.

And yeah, one thing Punisher: MAX did right was make him fallible. He's still incredibly dangerous of course, but he's not invincible. Whenever he faces anyone more skilled than the street thugs or mobsters he usually targets such as a gang of war criminals turned slavers who once fought in the Yugoslav Wars, he ends up in trouble.

Edited by M84 on Apr 1st 2022 at 12:18:12 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#54004: Mar 31st 2022 at 9:30:00 PM

So many heroes have crossed a number of lines themselves that going after the Punisher would just seem hypocritical. The Avengers once recruited Wolverine specifically because he was a killer.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#54005: Mar 31st 2022 at 9:34:13 PM

The Shang-Chi comic is being relaunched.

Originally listed as issue 13 its now issue 1 and being retitled Shang-Chi and the Ten Rings

It will maintain the same creative team

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 31st 2022 at 9:34:21 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#54006: Mar 31st 2022 at 10:04:15 PM

[up][up] Which was stupid.

Various Avengers have shown themselves perfectly willing to kill if the situation called for it.

Carol Danvers shanked a man once, for the world.

The difference is that these Avengers treated it as a last resort. Bringing Wolverine on the team specifically for him being a killer is saying that they want him to use it as not a last resort. Because if it was a last resort, they already have people for that.

I'd find it less annoying if the Avengers explicitly said in-universe 'we've taken some hits recently so we need someone popular to hang around and give us credibility'

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#54007: Mar 31st 2022 at 10:39:12 PM

It's even worse since Wolverine isn't actually a stone-cold killer. He's killed of course, but he doesn't like being that guy.

"I'm the best at what I do. And what I do isn't very nice." isn't a Badass Boast. It's him acknowledging that being good at killing people isn't a source of pride.

Logan's whole thing is trying to get away from that. But it's hard because he's good at it which means various people keep recruiting him for it.

Edited by M84 on Apr 1st 2022 at 1:40:12 AM

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#54008: Mar 31st 2022 at 11:01:19 PM

It's the equivalent of a recovering alcoholic constantly falling off the wagon because so many people around them want to make them drink again.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#54009: Mar 31st 2022 at 11:15:41 PM

I find it interesting seeing people being disatisfied at the rings being brought in for Shang-Chi.

Basically that the main appeal for the character is because he's a badass normal and empowering him like this is getting away from the core of the character.

Like preferring to see him in spy adventures over making him a cosmic level character.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#54010: Mar 31st 2022 at 11:17:12 PM

In the comics he has occasionally used special weapons to give him a fighting chance against superpowered opponents, but otherwise he sticks to good old martial arts.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#54011: Mar 31st 2022 at 11:51:03 PM

Is it accurate to call him a badass normal? He always seemed more like a supernatural martial artist.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#54012: Mar 31st 2022 at 11:52:11 PM

Apparently no, he's actually more of a grounded martial artist originally I recall.

The supernatural stuff is more Iron Fist's forte, Shang-Chi is more superspy secret agents and gangsters.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 31st 2022 at 11:54:51 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#54013: Mar 31st 2022 at 11:54:28 PM

Shang-Chi was originally modeled after Bruce Lee movies after all.

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Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#54014: Apr 1st 2022 at 1:36:13 AM

Yeah, the original Shang-Chi stuff (Master of Kung Fu & Deadly Hands of Kung Fu) is very much spy action with martial arts. And that version of Shang-Chi's at the top end of Badass Normal, not supernaturally good. Very few guest stars, very few villains with powers (occasional robots and low-level super soldier experiments, but that's all).

He fought amazingly well, could do bare-handed blade blocks, catch arrows and could survive long falls and way too much general harm. But that's about it.

There’s been some slow power creep over the years, and more mystic stuff creeping in - but the Gene Luen Yang books (which I've really enjoyed) accelerated that and have already had him catching bullets (including one in his teeth), which is the sort of thing he was never originally able to do.

I’m a bit wary of the claims that the Ten Rings will be a cosmos-breaking power, and a bit amused that the first returning villain once he gets them is… Razor-Fist. It keeps the movie connection, but if he's still just a guy with a sharp hand, I don't rate his chances against a weapon that gets compared to the Infinity Gauntlet. evil grin

Edited by Mrph1 on Apr 1st 2022 at 11:37:29 AM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#54015: Apr 1st 2022 at 4:45:05 AM

Is he getting the comics ten rings, or a new tennrings that rememble the film counterpart?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#54016: Apr 1st 2022 at 4:49:37 AM

Most likely the latter.

They look like the movie rings so it can't be the comic rings cause those are finger rings.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
TheEvilDrBolty Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
#54017: Apr 1st 2022 at 8:43:02 AM

The comic rings were originally kaiju-sized, though, so it wouldn't be very far-fetched if they were resized to resemble the movie rings.

shanejayell Since: Jun, 2011
#54018: Apr 1st 2022 at 10:46:54 AM

God I hate movie synergy crap.

ClancyGardener life is a state of mind from 53 miles west of Venus Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
#54019: Apr 1st 2022 at 11:25:20 AM

[up][up] You mean that they were originally large enough to fit on Fin Fang Foom's Fin Fang Finger? How was the mandarin able to fit them on his fingers? Did they shrink to accommodate him, or did he replicate the technology to make smaller rings?

Actually, since the rings were apparently some kind of spaceship technology IIRC, they weren't actually supposed to be used as finger rings by the Malakutans or anyone else, but it still makes a bit of sense that they would be sized to fit Malakutans. Otherwise, it makes me wonder how they would have made the rings in the first place, with their enormous dragon hands. Unless the rings are manufactured similarly to our microcircuitry, which has to be put together with fine instruments.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#54020: Apr 1st 2022 at 12:00:23 PM

I think one reason superheroes haven't tried harder to stop Punisher

Except Spider-Man. Peter always tries to bring in Frank.

It's even worse since Wolverine isn't actually a stone-cold killer. He's killed of course, but he doesn't like being that guy.

Which is why Peter can get along with Logan, but has no tolerance for Frank.

Logan also doesn't think he every villain has to be killed and that some can be reformed, Frank doesn't.

Edited by Cortez on Apr 1st 2022 at 3:04:21 PM

TheEvilDrBolty Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
#54021: Apr 1st 2022 at 1:11:12 PM

[up][up] The rings were sized for Makluan fingers then shrunk down when the Makluan astronauts took human forms.

Edited by TheEvilDrBolty on Apr 1st 2022 at 4:11:34 AM

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#54022: Apr 1st 2022 at 3:13:07 PM

Speaking of Mandarin, i wonder if the new book will bring him back.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#54023: Apr 1st 2022 at 10:34:39 PM

The Daughter of Blade is finally debuting on free comic book day. Here's the link to the Article.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#54024: Apr 2nd 2022 at 2:11:07 AM

Oh wow her debut has been on ice for years. Really surprised to see this idea comeback.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#54025: Apr 2nd 2022 at 2:14:27 AM

Its a long time coming for sure.

Can't believe she's finally here.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 2nd 2022 at 2:14:38 AM

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