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A thread for all the miscellaneous Marvel discussion that doesn't have its own thread.

So apparently, they're making a Black Panther movie. Let's hope Hudlin is kept as far away as possible. On a related note, anyone think that the whole 'Super Hero that is also a King/Ruler' is kind of ridiculous? I mean where do heroes like Aquaman and T'Challa find the time to both lead a nation and go gallavanting on the other side of the globe?

Edited by Mrph1 on Sep 1st 2024 at 8:36:28 PM

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#53851: Mar 7th 2022 at 12:49:56 AM

I maintain that Logan's next sidekick should be a trans girl. I mean, he's long past due for a new sidekick anyway. He works best when he's mentoring teen girls.

But yeah, Marvel's lack of trans superheroes gets more uncomfortable all the time. Sera was written away, breaking up with Angela just so they could justify not using her. (Also, her last appearance had her living on Ego. Ego is now destroyed. We don't even know if she escaped Ego before everyone living there was killed. We can only assume she did because we didn't see her body, but given how little interest editorial seems to have for her, who the hell knows.) Koi Boi has only appeared a couple times since Unbeatable Squirrel Girl ended, and I don't see him getting steady appearances anywhere. Loki's gender-fluidity has become damned near an informed attribute at this point, since he exclusively takes male form.

There was Madin, from Sina Grace's Iceman run, they're not showing up anywhere. Jessie Drake hardly counts as a superhero, and I don't see her getting an ongoing role anywhere anyway. Tong is delightful, but calling her a superhero is a bit much. Same with Dr. Mc Gowan. There's Trace, from a 2011 Hawkeye solo. There was an antagonist named Brilliance, in Whitley's Unstoppable Wasps.

And then, yeah, there's a handful of tertiary characters in Vita Ayala's New Mutants, but we haven't gotten to see a whole lot of them.

What's wild is it feels like Marvel has actually gone backwards in terms of trans characters. There was a few years where they had multiple trans characters showing up in major supporting roles in ongoing series. Sera, Tong, Koi Boi, Madin, and Loki was actively genderfluid. But all their comics ended, and Marvel now has literally no trans characters in major roles in ongoing comics. And no indications that that's going to change any time soon.

It's honestly pathetic at this point.

And that's why Logan needs a trans girl sidekick.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#53852: Mar 7th 2022 at 1:11:51 AM

Trans teen Logan Sidekick is a great idea. I was surprised to learn there aren't a mass of obscure trans mutants already given the analogies mutants normally assume in the setting.

I'm nostalgic for the energy behind Kamala Khan's first book where Marvel recognised a derth in represention, created a new character whole cloth and just launched her straight into an ongoing solo title with a great team. I don't feel like Marvel has the confidence in their titles to do that kind of investment these days.

I think you actually could do a Koi Boi solo title. I imagine it would only get 12 or so issues before getting cancelled but dang that would be an interesting tone.

Sera is probably more deserving of a solo title given that she did have more prominance before being ambiguously ego'd, but dang she doesn't have the easiest place in Marvel mythology to explain to new readers.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#53853: Mar 7th 2022 at 7:29:40 AM

If nothing else, something tells me we’re not going to be seeing Sir, that grotesque FTM stereotype who looked like Mister Clean in a gimp suit, again… unless it’s a “How did we ever think this was okay!?” redemption arc. tongue

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#53854: Mar 7th 2022 at 8:03:17 AM

[up] Where was that character from?

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#53855: Mar 7th 2022 at 8:07:50 AM

Mid-'90s minor Daredevil villain.

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#53856: Mar 7th 2022 at 8:26:38 AM

As some who has read Angela's solo books, Sera's absence is just boggling. Their relationship is in many ways the core of those stories, and I have no idea why they think Angela needs to be single to "work."

Here's a pretty good article on their relationship and what it means that they've been broken up.

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#53857: Mar 7th 2022 at 9:39:15 AM

[up]x4 Good God, I just looked up that character on the Marvel wiki and how the hell did they think that was okay?

Edited by lbssb on Mar 7th 2022 at 9:39:42 AM

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shanejayell Since: Jun, 2011
#53858: Mar 7th 2022 at 10:07:27 AM

I'm VERY surprised the one writer was involved with this. Wow....

TheEvilDrBolty Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
#53859: Mar 7th 2022 at 10:18:04 AM

[up][up] Given the time period and how trans men have historically been ignored by the culture at large? I'd guess that at no point did they consider that this had any resemblance to actual human beings.

Edited by TheEvilDrBolty on Mar 7th 2022 at 1:18:18 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#53860: Mar 7th 2022 at 10:19:49 AM

Reminds me of One Piece's okama's.

More caricature than an actual character.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Sircray Since: Apr, 2018
#53861: Mar 7th 2022 at 2:30:48 PM

If nothing else, something tells me we’re not going to be seeing Sir, that grotesque FTM stereotype who looked like Mister Clean in a gimp suit, again… unless it’s a “How did we ever think this was okay!?” redemption arc.

They removed his cameo from the finished version of Ben Reilly: Spider-Man #1 (1, 2).

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#53862: Mar 7th 2022 at 3:43:25 PM

Speaking of Angela I havn't really read of her much only in the current Thor run and when she does appear her inclusion in Thor's mythology does come across as rather unnatural

At the very least she proves the point that just because someone is blood doesn't mean they are family

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 8th 2022 at 12:16:57 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#53863: Mar 8th 2022 at 12:10:43 PM

I still remember how upset fans were at Bendis for splitting up Angela and Sera.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#53864: Mar 8th 2022 at 12:23:09 PM

He broke them up and then just didn’t really address it in the book, right?

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MegaJ Since: Oct, 2009
#53865: Mar 8th 2022 at 2:04:41 PM

IIRC, they were broken up by Bendis in Guardians of the Galaxy because apparently some other writer (or Marvel) had plans for either Angela or Sera or both and those never materialized.

Edited by MegaJ on Mar 8th 2022 at 5:05:04 AM

shanejayell Since: Jun, 2011
#53866: Mar 8th 2022 at 3:29:11 PM

Didn't they get back together after Bendis tho? Admittedly I'm not up to date....

Psuedodog Since: Feb, 2020
#53868: Mar 8th 2022 at 9:23:02 PM

Seems the lack of trans characters has been on a few people's minds. Al Ewing has been slowly adding a few here and there. The one doctor from Immortal Hulk and I really enjoyed the latest Defenders run featuring the living cosmic cube, Nova, I think? At least there's two more. Can't see him slowing down on this.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#53869: Mar 8th 2022 at 11:57:11 PM

Al was also the one who tried to make Loki's gender fluidity something more intrinsic to the character than happenstance.

Yeah I think Al has conistent motivation here to give us trans heroes. Not sure if Marvel would give him a solo title for a new trans character or not, though after Immortal Hulk he should be given a title he can just do what ever he likes with.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#53870: Mar 9th 2022 at 12:17:12 AM

The last issue of Rowell's 2017 Runaways run did feature Xavin. Too bad it was cancelled.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#53871: Mar 9th 2022 at 1:08:26 AM

Xavin appeared in a single panel with killer abs and then I didn't get to see them again :'<

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#53872: Mar 9th 2022 at 4:29:33 AM

[up]×4

Cloud and they're a living nebula.

Didn't they get back together after Bendis tho?

Angela ran into her later, but Sera stayed on Ego.

Edited by Cortez on Mar 9th 2022 at 1:52:08 PM

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#53873: Mar 9th 2022 at 10:38:23 AM

Devils Reign #5 was quite the issue - Fisk is even more over the edge, using the Purple Man's power to control even more Super-Villains. He turns on Otto, not being happy having to be under his thumb. His son Butch, is determined to carry out a hit on Fisk since he sees Fisk reliance on teaming up with Super-Villains to be a total betrayal. Mike, not wanting his buddy to walk into a blood bath, tries to sneak back into Matt's apartment convinced that he can use the Norn Stone to break Wilson's control of everyone.

This is a fatal move, however, as Fisk breaks into the apartment and kills Mike in a blind rage, as Mike is still masquerading as Matt.

I think with this issue in particular it's really driven home that Devil's Reign is Kingpin story more than it is a Daredevil, moreso about his Villainous Breakdown. I know Status Quo Is God, but for Fisk I see this status quo change as something that is going to be very hard for him to walk back on when the dust clears. He's effectively fucked over all of the crime families and the Super Villain community all in the name of his Sanity Slippage due to his grudge against Daredevil. I don't see anyone being willing to kowtow to him after this.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#53874: Mar 9th 2022 at 11:14:16 AM

Thor #23

Thor with the full power of the Thor Force reignites the forge that created Mjolnir in the first place and literally unmakes it. He didn't just destroy it this time but he basically tore it apart and removed every scrap of magic fully presumably purging the Mangog and God Storm sentience from it. He then falls into the Odin Sleep from using so much of his power, and four months later Angela with the help of the angels manage to cobble Mjolnir back together from its scraps giving it a new golden cracked look. Thor can feel no magic from it but with some inspiring words Thor begins praying to it from which he begins hearing the voice of his father.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#53875: Mar 9th 2022 at 11:41:02 AM

[up]

Cracked like the design in Love and Thunder.

Edited by Cortez on Mar 9th 2022 at 3:43:02 PM


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