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This thread's for talking about the Marvel Comics line, whether the comics are decades old or brand new.

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A thread for all the miscellaneous Marvel discussion that doesn't have its own thread.

So apparently, they're making a Black Panther movie. Let's hope Hudlin is kept as far away as possible. On a related note, anyone think that the whole 'Super Hero that is also a King/Ruler' is kind of ridiculous? I mean where do heroes like Aquaman and T'Challa find the time to both lead a nation and go gallavanting on the other side of the globe?

Edited by Mrph1 on Sep 1st 2024 at 8:36:28 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#53801: Feb 28th 2022 at 11:18:05 AM

Now that I think about it, I think Captain America's comics are on a bit of a slump from tough act to follow.

Brubaker's run is regarded as the pinnacle of Cap for well over a decade now and since then there hasn't been a run that can closely stack up to it with the last 2 runs, Spencer's suffering from the infamous Hydra-Cap controversy among other issues and Coates just being rather middling and forgettable from what I hear.

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 28th 2022 at 11:18:37 AM

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#53802: Feb 28th 2022 at 11:24:37 AM

Captain America is kind of stuck in this Deconstruction Cycle of "What does it mean to be Captain America in this modern America."

Which like, I get it, but the side effect is it always feels less like they're putting the mission statement before the character.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#53803: Feb 28th 2022 at 11:41:17 AM

Conveniently Modern America can feel very different politically every four years, but there's probably a trick to not drawing too much attention to the title constantly reimagining itself in reaction to current news.

RedM Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
#53804: Feb 28th 2022 at 12:48:00 PM

That's true, Cap's stories in every era have been reflecting the politics of their time, whether Nixon, Reagan, or whoever. I guess I was just struck by the absence of that in the pre-Civil War Brubaker stuff. I guess Ultimate Cap being a tool of the Bush administration had that covered at the same time.

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TheEvilDrBolty Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
#53805: Feb 28th 2022 at 1:01:37 PM

[up] Brubaker was also starting right after the John Ney Rieber run, a deep dive into post-9/11 propaganda comics that is generally regarded as a mistake and is pretty much Canon Discontinuity. I imagine there was an appetite to be Not That.

Edited by TheEvilDrBolty on Feb 28th 2022 at 4:04:36 AM

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#53806: Feb 28th 2022 at 2:34:24 PM

Fwiw I think Brubaker has said his personal favorite "run" on Cap was Steranko's very brief tenure (three issues) in the 60s. They even referenced it on occasion.

TheEvilDrBolty Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
#53807: Feb 28th 2022 at 3:26:33 PM

[up] I can see it. The tone of those Steranko issues definitely feels like the tone Brubaker was knocking out of the park.

Brubaker generally wielded a lot of different parts of Cap history very well. He took a lot from Englehart's 50's Cap story, went hard on Kirby's traumatized veteran angle from the 60's stories, used the trick Gruenwald did where the Red Skull and his crew have interesting drama in their own part of the book. It's pretty different from the following writers, where Remender announced that he was doing 70's Kirby style and Spencer loaded his first arc with as many Gruenwald creations as possible. There's a good argument that Brubaker was to Cap as Busiek was to Avengers, with his sheer knowledge of the property constantly on display and providing the tools for stronger stories.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#53808: Mar 1st 2022 at 10:03:48 AM

Huh so the new What If Miles Morales series is out this week.

First issue is What If he was Captain America so it seems like the book really is just what if Miles was various different heroes.

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#53809: Mar 1st 2022 at 10:05:19 PM

Reading digital on the amazon kindle reader now that they killed comixology causes me aggravation and I may cancel my subscriptions and just read comics when they hit Marvel Unlimited.

But, Avengers Forever #3.

Ant-Man Tony-Ant's ragtag group of heroes from the post-apocalyptic Venom Red Skull run world: A Vision that Tony half built because he took Anting from Hank and dammit he'll take Vision too. A Moon Knight named Mariama Spector. "The only kinda movies the Wasteland allows are ones where people get forcefully irradiated and have to fight each other to the death" movie star Simon Williams Wonder Man who just loves killing. Ummm Ben Grimm, the Infinity Thing, who went out into space and came back cosmic and weird. Aaron continues to love mashing up concepts.

Ant-Tony tries to rescue Robbie Rider from Venom Skull's dungeons but he refuses to go because he wants to do an avenging on Venom Skull. Then Venom Skull shows up.

Fight scene fight scene, action set-piece. Eventually Robbie bullshits that a symbiote is basically a vehicle. If you squint and really think about it laterally. It's like a gooey mech. Which means Robbie can take it over because he can vehicle anything. So he does.

What a feel good ending. A world liberated and a Venom Skull toppled. Except when Tony's team comes in after him to rescue him from his rescue mission, they find a portal nexus. And a bunch more Red Skulls come through. Since its all about multiverse nonsense, yeah, cut down one Red Skull and a basketball team's worth takes his place. And it seems that they're also mashups.

Edited by Bocaj on Mar 1st 2022 at 1:05:37 PM

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ClancyGardener life is a state of mind from 53 miles west of Venus Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
#53810: Mar 1st 2022 at 10:40:09 PM

[up] To be fair, Tony building a Vision isn't really stealing Hank's thunder in the same vein as him building Ultron.

Really, Tony's ripping off Ultron, Old Doc Horton, and Immortus. Hank is Vision's grandfather if anything.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#53812: Mar 2nd 2022 at 7:37:25 AM

He has itty bitty hands and feets.

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#53815: Mar 2nd 2022 at 10:45:29 AM

More like Not!Venom.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#53816: Mar 2nd 2022 at 10:58:07 AM

[up] Or if Venom and Ghost Rider did the Fusion Dance from the Dragon Ball franchise. [lol]

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#53818: Mar 2nd 2022 at 1:18:24 PM

It’s too late, Aaron already retroactive overheard you and did Ghost Rider Venom today

Also, there was a Venom Ghost Rider in venomverse I think

Edited by Bocaj on Mar 2nd 2022 at 4:18:35 AM

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#53819: Mar 2nd 2022 at 2:17:52 PM

Looks more like a Venomized Thing or Doomsday to me, what with the rocky bits.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#53821: Mar 2nd 2022 at 3:31:52 PM

Well Titan is basically Hulk's "Knull" so the resemblance to Venom is pretty apt.

Admitably its kinda unclear what he actually looks like since that cover may be taking an esoteric approach to him.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 2nd 2022 at 3:32:30 AM

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#53822: Mar 2nd 2022 at 3:54:29 PM

[up] I thought the One Below All was Hulk's "Knull". And, according to Bruce, might actually be responsible for Knull as well.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#53823: Mar 2nd 2022 at 4:10:26 PM

Apparently Donny Cates had this idea for as long as Ewing had for the One Below All.

They both wanted the Hulk title at the time and had Cates gotten it then Titan would have been a thing first.

Now that he's writing Hulk now, Cates is implementing the plans he developed years ago.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 2nd 2022 at 4:10:42 AM

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#53824: Mar 2nd 2022 at 4:18:46 PM

The current Moon Knight run is definitely leaning into the magical side of things for Moon Knight narratively, if not for Marc as a character.

There's the other Fist of Khonshu's magical gift of chorus, Marc's new magical HQ, his vampire sidekick as well as the new Stained Glass Scarlet.

I also like how Hunter's Moon works as a foil to Marc and a sort of pinch hitter for him, kind of like how Daniel Rand dressed up as Daredevil for a bit.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#53825: Mar 3rd 2022 at 1:12:38 AM

My Super Hero Is Black will tell the other history of the Marvel Universe.

These days, Black Panther is one of the most visible superheroes in a superhero-obsessed age, and his 2018 solo film remains one of Marvel Studios' most acclaimed (it still holds the #1 spot on EW's own ranking of the Marvel Cinematic Universe). The Falcon and the Winter Soldier recently explored the idea of a Black Captain America, both with Sam Wilson in the present and Isaiah Bradley in the past. Moon Girl, a young Black genius who pals around with a dinosaur, will soon be getting her own animated series.

My Super Hero Is Black will trace how these and other characters moved from the margins to the mainstream thanks to the work of creators like Billy Graham, Christopher Priest, Reginald Hudlin, and Ta-Nehisi Coates, among others. The book will also feature accounts from prominent Black creators and luminaries about their personal relationships with Marvel heroes.

"Angélique and I have endeavored to create a love letter to the characters we hold dear, a celebration of Black characters and creators in the vast Marvel Universe, and a document for future generations to come," Jennings says. "One of Marvel Comics' core mantras is that they want their comics to show 'the world outside your window' and that is exactly what they have done over the last eight decades. My Super Hero is Black is not just a reference book but it shows the potential of these amazing Black characters through new windows and new vantage points. We hope that audiences are as thrilled to experience the spectrum of representations of Blackness in My Super Hero Is Black via the lens of the universe that is Marvel Comics as we are."


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