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This thread's for talking about the Marvel Comics line, whether the comics are decades old or brand new.

As well as the superhero tales of the Marvel Universe, that also includes all the other things Marvel's done (Epic Comics, Icon Comics, Star Comics and all the rest), as well as the older stories by Atlas and Timely, the companies that later became Marvel.

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A thread for all the miscellaneous Marvel discussion that doesn't have its own thread.

So apparently, they're making a Black Panther movie. Let's hope Hudlin is kept as far away as possible. On a related note, anyone think that the whole 'Super Hero that is also a King/Ruler' is kind of ridiculous? I mean where do heroes like Aquaman and T'Challa find the time to both lead a nation and go gallavanting on the other side of the globe?

Edited by Mrph1 on Sep 1st 2024 at 8:36:28 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#53751: Feb 26th 2022 at 7:51:39 AM

There’s two things I like about Joker killing Batman’s parents in the Burton movie

One, the Joker dismissing the motivation as childish oneupmanship

Two, after indirectly dropping Joker off a building to his death, Bruce is still miserable and messed up in the succeeding movie because it turns out that indirectly killing the man who killed his parents didn’t actually fix anything. If anything, Batman gets more messed up by the time of Returns

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#53752: Feb 26th 2022 at 7:57:41 AM

[up][up]It was Daredevil helping to remove his rivals that created the Evil Power Vacuum that allowed the Kingpin to become the crime boss of New York City.

[up]The comics kind of did that with the Waynes' killer Joe Chill. Joe Chill's death doesn't grant Bruce any closure either.

Edited by M84 on Feb 26th 2022 at 11:58:49 PM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#53753: Feb 26th 2022 at 8:01:16 AM

I'm personally of the opinion that Batman should never confront the killer of his parents. To like make him this faceless motivating force to symbolize his war on crime.

Like he could be any rando crook Batman punched and left for the cops, or never got caught.

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shanejayell Since: Jun, 2011
#53754: Feb 26th 2022 at 8:14:15 AM

Three Jokers brought Chill back. Tho thankfully most writers no longer consider it canon. [up] [up]

Marvel is the king of quietly retconning stuff... and Frank Miller's wackadoodle tendencies haven't helped.

Edited by shanejayell on Feb 26th 2022 at 8:14:55 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#53755: Feb 26th 2022 at 8:20:36 AM

Ah wait, I mixed up the comics NVM.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Feb 26th 2022 at 11:24:33 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#53756: Feb 26th 2022 at 8:34:56 AM

Marvel either quietly retcons stuff or they make a big production of it, publishing a story that’s like 90% continuity and a dissatisfying 10% story

The ending of Spencer’s Spider-Man comes to mind as one way they make a big deal of a retcon versus just quietly stop mentioning something

Spider-Man is particularly prone to this since several times during the 90s Clone Saga they needed to publish stories that went “no wait this is what REALLY happened”

Edited by Bocaj on Feb 26th 2022 at 11:35:46 AM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#53757: Feb 26th 2022 at 8:48:02 AM

Ugghh, keeping track of Spider-Man and Batman continuity is tough enough, so that's why I'm reluctant to follow others outside of their iconic storylines.

Downside is that I get details mixed up like Daredevil's origin.

But then again, I really loved that episode in the 90s Spidey cartoon so maybe I'll just keep it.

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#53758: Feb 26th 2022 at 9:23:51 AM

I swear they retconned it at some point so that the boxer Jack Murdock fought was Crusher Creel before he became absorbing man, but I don't remember what issue that was.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#53759: Feb 26th 2022 at 10:13:32 AM

I have that same feeling too, but I couldn't verify that when I looked.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#53760: Feb 26th 2022 at 10:19:25 AM

One of the problems is that the marvel wiki treats retroactive continuity as true all along which makes it hard to track retcons

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#53761: Feb 26th 2022 at 11:32:32 AM

I don't know if it was the first, but there was a Marvel Knight miniseries from 2007 that basically retold DD's origin but exclusively from the point of view of Jack Murdock (appropriately called "Battlin Jack Murdock") that did have his opponent be Crusher Creel, so that development is at least from 2007.

Jack Murdock's story has some inconistencies in general. The weight he fought at for one is never properly established (he's usually drawn looking like a middleweight, but the weight is either unstated or heavyweight). The circumstances of the fight tend to come and go, with that marvel knights miniseries showing him fighting in the Madison Square Garden for the heavyweight championship of the world, quite a dramatic upscale from the usual "Jack Murdock wins a random backalley fight in NY despite being paid to lose".

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#53762: Feb 26th 2022 at 11:59:10 AM

[up]That would make sense, because Peter David's She-Hulk run in thr same year revealed that Creel had a cousin named Rocky Davis who he was really close to, so I guess the idea was that he took on Davis's name as an alias out of respect to his cousin.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#53763: Feb 26th 2022 at 1:00:53 PM

Huh, interesting canon wielding.

Also adds to my theory that the MCU could introduce the Absorbing Man without contradicting Agents of SHIELD by calling him Rocky Davis.

Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#53764: Feb 26th 2022 at 2:48:34 PM

Agents of SHIELD is more or less non-canon to the MCU now. At the very least Disney Plus puts it in the same category as all other non-canon shows, and it was made outside of Feige's sphere of influence.

Edited by Shaoken on Feb 26th 2022 at 9:52:38 PM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#53765: Feb 26th 2022 at 2:52:22 PM

Like, I don't think it has.

I don't recall us getting any official Word of God.

It's mostly been assumed the show is out of continuity due to the different look of the Darkhold in WandaVision, Loki only acknowledging Coulson's death and Clint's wife being revealed to be Mockingbird in all but name.

But Marvel has yet to come out and say it's not canon.

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Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#53766: Feb 26th 2022 at 2:56:01 PM

Editted my post, but the main drive is that Disney Plus doesn't group AOS with the MCU shows but with the non-canon ones, the shows being made outside of Feige's control, and the MCU itself never acknowledging anything from the shows while contradicting elements brought up in the show.

shanejayell Since: Jun, 2011
#53767: Feb 26th 2022 at 3:18:45 PM

And SHIELD no longer gets mentioned at all in MCU stuff after Winter Soldier.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#53768: Feb 27th 2022 at 2:38:01 AM

I can see arguments in both ways. On the one hand the MCU hasn't referenced anything from the show, but on the other hand it's seemingly put some effort into not contradicting the show either (hence not calling Hawkeye's wife Mockingbird, instead referencing her agent number alone)

It seems the current rule is "let it be but don't touch it'.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#53770: Feb 27th 2022 at 8:56:08 AM

[up] Time to update that Trivia page!

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#53771: Feb 27th 2022 at 9:11:06 AM

I just finished the sixth trade of Rainbow Rowell's Runaways run, and was surprised to see it end on a massive cliff hanger.

I look online to see when the seventh trade will be out, to instead discover the title has been cancelled!?

Horrifying. I'm genuinely really upset about this as I love these characters, and to leave them scattered in such a confusing predicament is just disheartening.

It ends with Chase being kidnapped by future Gert into the future to prevent a hinted evil turn from him, Gert's parents turning up unexpectedly, Karolina leaving earth to rejoin her people to recouperate from an injury, Nico giving up the Staff of One in an attempt to outsmart the wizard trying to take her soul, Alex plotting something, Molly considering leaving to join the X-Men. And we still don't know what the deal is with the clone of Molly's mother. And the final issue finished with a suprise appearence of Xavin.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#53772: Feb 27th 2022 at 9:13:36 AM

Yup, a very rude place to end a book

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#53773: Feb 27th 2022 at 9:17:26 AM

Marvel has no business ending a book without giving the team a story arc's notice to wrap things up.

I'd desperately hope for a relaunch, but with the writing and the artist on different books now, and the team utterly scattered, I don't know how a new writer would be able to pick the team back up.

shanejayell Since: Jun, 2011
#53774: Feb 27th 2022 at 10:51:38 AM

Huh. Very weird... maybe see if the author said anything about it online?

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#53775: Feb 27th 2022 at 12:31:11 PM

Damn, a mid-arc cancellation? Very rare these days, especially for a bankable writer like Rowell, who's written a lot of acclaimed YA novels. Have any subsequent appearances of the characters referenced what happened?


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