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This thread's for talking about the Marvel Comics line, whether the comics are decades old or brand new.

As well as the superhero tales of the Marvel Universe, that also includes all the other things Marvel's done (Epic Comics, Icon Comics, Star Comics and all the rest), as well as the older stories by Atlas and Timely, the companies that later became Marvel.

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    Original text of OP 
A thread for all the miscellaneous Marvel discussion that doesn't have its own thread.

So apparently, they're making a Black Panther movie. Let's hope Hudlin is kept as far away as possible. On a related note, anyone think that the whole 'Super Hero that is also a King/Ruler' is kind of ridiculous? I mean where do heroes like Aquaman and T'Challa find the time to both lead a nation and go gallavanting on the other side of the globe?

Edited by Mrph1 on Sep 1st 2024 at 8:36:28 PM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#53601: Feb 14th 2022 at 8:50:51 PM

It's been mentioned that Mimic and Sync are sort of on stand-by to help with the Five if one of them dies.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#53602: Feb 14th 2022 at 9:08:29 PM

That's not a bad idea.

If not for the rather volatile way her powers work, I'd say they should have Rogue doing the same.

One Strip! One Strip!
djoki996 Since: Dec, 2018
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#53604: Feb 15th 2022 at 11:44:56 AM

I'm not sure your link is working as intended.

djoki996 Since: Dec, 2018
#53605: Feb 15th 2022 at 11:51:50 AM

[up] It's working for me.

It's just an image of the infamous Avengers 200 trending.

Edited by djoki996 on Feb 15th 2022 at 11:52:21 AM

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#53606: Feb 15th 2022 at 3:45:43 PM

You should describe what's in the link when you post it. And where is it trending?

Edited by Cortez on Feb 15th 2022 at 7:51:57 AM

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#53607: Feb 15th 2022 at 3:51:20 PM

What's Avengers 200, the one where Carol's suddenly knocked up by her future kid?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
shanejayell Since: Jun, 2011
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#53610: Feb 15th 2022 at 6:57:02 PM

Not probably, she definitely was.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#53611: Feb 15th 2022 at 11:28:13 PM

Greg Smallwood On Marvel's Changes To Elektra Black White & Blood #2

    The article 
Comic book artist Greg Smallwood has spoken out against the treatment of his artwork for the upcoming anthology comic book Elektra: Black, White & Blood #2 from Marvel Comics, part of a series that focuses on comic book artwork. He has clearly got his comp copies from Marvel in advance and posted on Twitter to express his displeasure.

"Sad to say that, without my approval, Marvel attempted to "fix" several panels of my art in issue two of Elektra: Black, White, & Blood before sending it to the printers. They're not huge changes but I really don't like my art being tampered with."

"Long story short – 2 months after turning in the finished pages, I was informed by my editor that Marvel's Standards & Practices flagged my art and requested I redraw several panels so that they would be "within tolerance for best representation of Asian characters.""

"Wife and I were expecting our second child the following week and I was racing to finish an issue of HT before the birth so I told Marvel that I didn't have time to make the changes but that I would be perfectly fine with them pulling the story for sensitivity concerns."

"I was told that pulling the story was not an option and if I couldn't do revisions, the Marvel Bullpen would "take a crack" at my pages instead. I stated very clearly that I didn't want anyone touching my art so I dropped everything I was doing and immediately reworked all of the panels that were flagged. Unfortunately, I just found out yesterday that the folks at Marvel didn't even bother using my new art and instead went to print with their own revised pages. I was not given a chance to make further revisions or even approve the alterations made by the bullpen. They also attempted to cover up some nudity which just resulted in a muddied mess. Again, something I was willing to fix."

"Just wanted you all to know because my name is on that comic but I'm pretty annoyed about how it looks. As a palate cleanser, here's the cover and the first two (also the best) pages, unaltered. I've got a newborn, a three-year old, and some tight deadlines to manage right now so this is all I'm saying on the matter. Going back into my hole again."

Devin Lewis, editor on the book at Marvel Comics responded saying "So sorry, Greg, we'll own the mistake here. Had an email miscommunication on my end, like we spoke about yesterday. As we already assured you, we're using your pages on digital editions and any new printings and collections." Other creators also shared their two pennyworths, tweeting;

  • Jen Bartel: They… made your perfectly representative art look uncomfortably close to a series of racial stereotypes. Not only did they make your work look objectively worse, the end product is actually really upsetting and counterproductive from an "Asian sensitivity" perspective. Sad.
  • Joshua Dysart: This is the immediate issue that struck me. First off, their eyes just look creepy, but the racial implications of it are deeply unfortunate.
Julie Benson: That's so weird, why would they do that? Sorry, Greg. I prefer your version fwiw.
  • Chris Weston: Urgh. I don't like what they've done there at all.
  • Alex de Campi: oof, this is some nonsense, I'm sorry you had to go through this. the corrections are… horribly amateurish
Jody Houser: Oof, I'm so sorry Greg. Your work is stunning, and you should be happy with a book that has your name on it (or at the very least, unhappy in the traditional self-critical way).
  • Bengal: I don't understand how anyone could do this, let alone to your already immaculate work, AND let alone without asking you. Ugh. So sorry. I'd be so mad too.
  • Heather Antos: Oh my god. This is SO messed up. I'm so so sorry!
  • Cully Hamner: They aren't huge changes… but they are *badly done* and *ill-advised* changes, especially considering that you'd already addressed their notes yourself. I really hate this. Sorry, man.
  • David Aja: Aw, that sucks, can they do that kind of crap? Ask always to check final before going to print, I do.
  • Erik Larsen: Unfortunately, that's par for the course when it comes to work-for-hire. Every artist I know has had their work tampered with. If they'll redraw work by Steve Ditko and Jack Kirby–nobody is safe. That's one of many reasons @Image Comics came into existence.
  • Nicola Scott: Yours is so much warmer, more human.
  • Xavier Lopez: so…to avoid neg. asian rep they made all their eyes caucasian??? also wtf putting clothes on that yokai/oni?? not only was nothing wrong to begin with but half of them blend into the background… this is a mess. im sorry they did this to your art …
  • Michael Avon Oeming: F-ck. That's not right.
  • Joe Kalicki: You should have just impersonated a Japanese guy and used a fake name, then they would have promoted you.
  • Jason Liebig: I agree with the assertion that the revisions are bad. I would be interested to know how the racial "standards and practices" were established. I assume they were created to help avoid stereotypical racial features. Ironic that policies meant to avoid such things aggravate them.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#53612: Feb 15th 2022 at 11:30:47 PM

Dammit Marvel are you trying to be more racist against Asians than DC?

Being more racist against Asians than DC is no small feat but you sure as fuck seem to be trying for it.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#53613: Feb 15th 2022 at 11:31:31 PM

What did Jeph Loeb oversee this?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#53614: Feb 16th 2022 at 12:47:15 AM

[up][up] That's the irony. They were trying to be less racist to Asians in this case.

MegaJ Since: Oct, 2009
#53615: Feb 16th 2022 at 6:14:05 AM

And by trying to be less racist, they made them Uncanny Valley-like.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#53617: Feb 16th 2022 at 10:31:11 AM

As a tribute to George Perez, that's really cool.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#53618: Feb 16th 2022 at 10:37:46 AM

[up]

It is.

Putting out one of his greatest works one last time for him.

One Strip! One Strip!
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#53619: Feb 16th 2022 at 10:38:06 AM

[up][up][up] Well.

I suppose this is one of those "holy shit is this real?!" moments isn't it?

But yes, The Hero Initiative, best known on Wikipedia as "the first federally recognized not-for-profit organization dedicated to helping comic book creators, writers and artists in need," (man, you learn something new every day!) is reprinting JLA/Avengers, effective this March in honor of that miniseries' artist, George Perez.

Besides the main story, there's also new stuff like:

  • 64 pages of additional content, reprinting the introductions by original Avengers writer/editor Stan Lee and Justice League of America editor Julius Schwartz
  • A new afterword by JLA/Avengers writer Kurt Busiek.

Here's the catch, though. This will be a finite run of 7000 copies. Like, so if there was ever a chance to score this literally one-of-a-kind miniseries that is pretty much impossible to reprint because guess who owns Marvel and DC, I would say this is that chance.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Feb 16th 2022 at 1:38:39 PM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#53620: Feb 16th 2022 at 1:39:01 PM

Okay I just got the the mid point of Immortal Hulk where we finally learn what Bruce and the Hulk's motivation is, and that's gooood, that's an interesting premis.

It kind of makes me sad though that the nature of comics is that heroes can't be like this more often.

Edited by Whowho on Feb 16th 2022 at 10:58:37 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#53621: Feb 16th 2022 at 1:51:04 PM

[up]

Immortal Hilk?

Sounds like Hulk-based milk. Would immortal hilk make the drinker immortal? Because that'd be awesome. grin

(*recalls what immortality meant in The Immortal Hulk*)

...Oh. sad

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Feb 16th 2022 at 4:51:43 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#53622: Feb 16th 2022 at 2:02:55 PM

Immortal Hilk comes in the following flavours:

  • Incredible
  • Abominable
  • Leader

It's a Green Door to a whole new world of flavours!

PS: In case of Body Horror, cosmic terrors or the urge to become an avatar for the One-Below-All, Contact your local Dr. Samson immediately.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#53623: Feb 16th 2022 at 2:05:06 PM

What’s sad about Immortal Hulk’s quest to save the world is that it got stopped before it truly began due to……… other distractions.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#53624: Feb 16th 2022 at 2:19:06 PM

[up][up] [lol][lol][lol]

Incredible Vanilla! Abominable Chocolate! Leader Strawberry!

PS: Continue to contact your local Dr. Samson if you find yourself turning into a gamma-radiated monster after suffering a fatal attack or having conversations with your inner selfs

Oh man, on the off-chance I ever get to write for Marvel, I'm gonna make "Immortal Hilk" a gag. Like the Avengers-themed Ben & Jerry's ice cream we heard about in Infinity War and briefly saw in Endgame.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#53625: Feb 16th 2022 at 2:34:21 PM

Huh so in this week's Thor, Thor taps into the powers of his mother to battle Mjolnir. And I don't mean the Phoenix but he's instead tapping into Gaea using his powers born of her to control the Earth through generating a storm barrier to contain Mjolnir and then slamming a mass of stone on top of it.

What's make it odd is that the previous Thor issue did acknowledge the Phoenix retcon with Thor and Freja talking about how Thor feels about finding out the revelation of who's his mother but this issue seems to retcon/backtrack that because Freja explicitly says Gaea is Thor's mother here.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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