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A thread for all the miscellaneous Marvel discussion that doesn't have its own thread.

So apparently, they're making a Black Panther movie. Let's hope Hudlin is kept as far away as possible. On a related note, anyone think that the whole 'Super Hero that is also a King/Ruler' is kind of ridiculous? I mean where do heroes like Aquaman and T'Challa find the time to both lead a nation and go gallavanting on the other side of the globe?

Edited by Mrph1 on Sep 1st 2024 at 8:36:28 PM

TheEvilDrBolty Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
#53551: Feb 11th 2022 at 11:49:26 AM

...I have to wonder if this is some kind of misdirect, like this is a new Dark Avengers deal, because otherwise, why on Earth is this team called the Thunderbolts?

It's a good team outside of that context, too, which just makes it weirder. Like this was an Avengers lineup that Marvel was resistant to putting the brand name on.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#53552: Feb 11th 2022 at 11:56:36 AM

Are they called the Thunderbolts only because they're government endorsed?

Spectrum, Ms America and Hawkeye on a team is tempting, but I need a stronger premis.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#53553: Feb 11th 2022 at 12:06:24 PM

Yeah, it looks like it's only called Thunderbolts for branding purposes. You'd think turning it into an Avengers book would make for even stronger branding, but I guess they wanted to use the name somewhere.

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#53554: Feb 11th 2022 at 12:38:45 PM

Huh, while it's very much not a Thunderbolts line-up, it's still a pretty interesting line-up. Zub and Izaakse are both great, and great together. So it's a solid creative team. And I'm pretty psyched at seeing Persuasion get some love. Much as I hated Mantlo's Alpha Flight run, Persuasion was one of the more interesting parts of it, and she always had a lot of potential. Plus, there's some interesting relationship dynamics here. America worked with Hawkeye in the WCA, and Spectrum in the Ultimates, while Spectrum worked with Power Man in Mighty Avengers.

And on a side note, I kinda love that America doesn't seem to be wearing the badge. Like, she's fine hanging out with them, but no damn way is she putting on a badge, she's not a cop. I kinda hope "fuck the police" is her actual reason for not wearing a Thunderbolts badge, it would be very in-character for her.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#53555: Feb 11th 2022 at 12:46:43 PM

I don’t recognize all of the people but from the article snd membership it seems like the members are Good Counterparts of previous teams. Coupled with Hawkeye having a history with the Thunderbolts.

So Ms. America instead of Zeno as Citizen V.

Spectrum instead of Moonstone.

A heroic cyborg instead of Fixer.

Maybe others?

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#53556: Feb 11th 2022 at 1:02:46 PM

.I have to wonder if this is some kind of misdirect, like this is a new Dark Avengers deal, because otherwise, why on Earth is this team called the Thunderbolts?

This line up wouldn't really work as a Dark Avengers team either.

I kinda hope "fuck the police" is her actual reason for not wearing a Thunderbolts badge, it would be very in-character for her.

I can see her feeling that way about Fisk's Thunderbolts, but not Clint's.

Plus if she felt that way about Clint's team, why would she join at all?

Edited by Cortez on Feb 11th 2022 at 5:15:44 AM

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#53557: Feb 11th 2022 at 6:50:36 PM

[up] I see America as being "fuck the police" just in general.

She knows and trusts Clint (and Monica, for that matter), so she's fine working with him, but she's no cop.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#53558: Feb 12th 2022 at 10:34:08 AM

Having read the New Warriors arc dealing with Vance going to jail for accidentally killing his dad, I'm curious what are people's thoughts on it? Do you think it was the right decision or do you think Vance was railroaded as Namorita says?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#53559: Feb 12th 2022 at 10:37:31 AM

I'd have to re-read it again, but it's tricky.

Vance, as I re-call, acted not in his own defence, but that of his mother.

But he also used more force than needed considering he could have probably stopped his dad without killing him. But when abuse is on the table, how much force gets used is murky, since there's obviously going to be a lot of personal hatred going in there.

I do know that Vance's decision to go to prison earned him a lot of good will, since he avoided letting his team break him out, and was a model prisoner.

Shame that Stanford burned all that away.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Feb 12th 2022 at 10:37:43 AM

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Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#53560: Feb 12th 2022 at 11:36:52 AM

[up][up] I think that, from a legal standpoint, it was the right decision. He could have stopped his father without lethal force. That said, sending him to prison was the wrong decision morally.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#53561: Feb 12th 2022 at 12:05:43 PM

Huh, remember that time Carol compared Magneto to Hitler?

Its true what they say, the Civil Wars made Tony and Carol into the biggest douches on the entire planet.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#53562: Feb 12th 2022 at 12:06:49 PM

I think we'd all like to forget the comic versions of Civil Wars 1 and 2.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#53563: Feb 12th 2022 at 12:10:48 PM

The sad thing is apparently Carol was always kind of authoritarian and a jackass.

Civil War made it way worse though. In CW 1 she beat up Julia Carpenter in front of her daughter and then separated the child from her mother.

There is a difference between just being kind of an asshole to straight up jackass.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#53564: Feb 12th 2022 at 12:13:18 PM

The event ultimatification of the 616

So sad

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#53565: Feb 12th 2022 at 12:18:00 PM

Carol was never authoritarian until Civil War. And Julia wasn't exactly an innocent victim in that incident. Not only was she wanted for putting people in the hospital during a car chase — the exact type of behaviour that got people mad at superheroes in the first place — but she instigated the fight with Carol when the latter just wanted to take her in quietly.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#53566: Feb 12th 2022 at 12:33:55 PM

What about the Skrull thing where she watched him die of asphyxiation in space and enjoyed it?

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 12th 2022 at 12:34:05 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#53567: Feb 12th 2022 at 12:38:00 PM

Wasn’t that Secret Invasion and after Civil War?

And also BENDIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS

Who has a bad track record with Carol and also [insert example here]

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ClancyGardener life is a state of mind from 53 miles west of Venus Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
#53568: Feb 12th 2022 at 12:42:14 PM

Its true what they say, the Civil Wars made Tony and Carol into the biggest douches on the entire planet.

While I agree with that sentiment, and Carol was totally being an insensitive jackass by telling a frickin' Holocaust survivor to stop bitching about Nazis all the time, I honestly have no sympathy whatsoever for Magneto in that situation.

Even considering his undeniably tragic backstory, it doesn't excuse the fact that Magneto is, at his core, a hate-filled paranoiac who uses his personal trauma as an excuse to commit terrorist acts, spout supremacist ideology, abuse his subordinates both physically and emotionally, and generally behave like a raging asshole. And even after Chris Claremont wrote the "Holocaust survivor" retcon, made Magneto a more sympathetic character as a result, and put him through the first of many redemption arcs... he's still a raging asshole.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#53569: Feb 12th 2022 at 12:43:55 PM

Sorry, apparently the specific Carol gleefully watches a guy die issue was written by Brian Reed

REEEEEEEED!

Edited by Bocaj on Feb 12th 2022 at 3:44:05 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#53570: Feb 12th 2022 at 12:44:48 PM

Interestingly apparently the writer of that scene Christos Gage wrote it while not being sure whether Magneto's past as a Holocaust Survivor is well known knowledge or not.

Still though its not something someone wants to hear.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
shanejayell Since: Jun, 2011
#53571: Feb 12th 2022 at 1:19:32 PM

Also, some of the X-writers had written stuff implying he might not have been a holocaust survivor. Something about him having bought a forged identity?

Tho how that makes sense when he knew Prof X before he wore the telepathy blocking helmet, and therefore Xavier would have known he was lying about it... *shrugs*

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#53572: Feb 12th 2022 at 1:29:51 PM

That was a slight retcon, but the current canon is that at one point Magneto did take on an assumed identity from a forger shortly after becoming part of Magda's community, and it is under that identity that he has met pretty much everyone in his life.

So even though Charles, being Charles, would know Magneto's birth name is not Erik, he still calls him that because that's what he's chosen to go by for a long time.

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#53573: Feb 12th 2022 at 6:38:08 PM

[up][up][up] Gage straight-up apologized for the scene. He said the dialogue would be changed for the trade, but I have no idea if that happened, or what it was changed to.

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Sircray Since: Apr, 2018
#53574: Feb 12th 2022 at 7:38:19 PM

What about the Skrull thing where she watched him die of asphyxiation in space and enjoyed it?

She reeled it in a bit and slaughters Skrulls more humanely now.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#53575: Feb 12th 2022 at 7:43:56 PM

That Brian Reed run also had Carol cheap shot Rogue while in the middle of a fight against an evil alternate universe version of Carol.


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