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This thread's for talking about the Marvel Comics line, whether the comics are decades old or brand new.

As well as the superhero tales of the Marvel Universe, that also includes all the other things Marvel's done (Epic Comics, Icon Comics, Star Comics and all the rest), as well as the older stories by Atlas and Timely, the companies that later became Marvel.

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A thread for all the miscellaneous Marvel discussion that doesn't have its own thread.

So apparently, they're making a Black Panther movie. Let's hope Hudlin is kept as far away as possible. On a related note, anyone think that the whole 'Super Hero that is also a King/Ruler' is kind of ridiculous? I mean where do heroes like Aquaman and T'Challa find the time to both lead a nation and go gallavanting on the other side of the globe?

Edited by Mrph1 on Sep 1st 2024 at 8:36:28 PM

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#53526: Feb 9th 2022 at 7:42:12 PM

I was reading Marvel Two-in-One Annual #5 which had the Hulk and the Thing foil a complicated, centuries-long plan by Pluto to destroy the universe, which even took out the Stranger, by... smashing the ground underneath him really hard so he falls into his machine.

And nobody really mentioned the universe-ending catastrophe as far as I know since The World Is Always Doomed XD

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#53527: Feb 9th 2022 at 8:00:01 PM

New Warriors, Volume 1 again. I just finished the "Yesterday Forever" arc which showed a reality where Magneto and Emma Frost are lovers. I think Emma was supposed to be an age peer for Xavier and Magneto initially. Either way, the moment is funny.

And speaking of Emma, she also showed up with the Hellions in issue #10 as an antagonist. Exactly when did her Heel–Face Turn officially start?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#53529: Feb 9th 2022 at 8:45:31 PM

Avengers 53 came out. Super Evil Magical Doom Wizard Doom Above All and precocious Teen Thanos attack Avengers Dead Alien Mountain. Namor winds up fighting Teen Thanos because he's in a bad mood and wants to punch something a lot. Teen Thanos is in fact so smarmy that I actually want Namor to win a fight.

Doom Above All casts a spell that blows Dead Alien Mountain to Shit. While Black Panther prepares his wizard punching gear, Jane Foster Valkyrie tries to take a Deathlok to the Dead Alien Mountain brain to do Something. She gets in a scrum with Doom and initially does okay because he didn't bother to ID her and tried to use death magic on the psychopomp. But then he switches to cancer magic and knocks her on her ass. Mr. Horse saves her but a talking horse is also no match for the doomiest doom to doom doom. So Black Panther shows up in his wizard punching gear, which he's apparently termed Red Panther. Jason Aaron loves attaching words to words.

When the attack started, the Deatlok told Black Panther it had a really good idea and that it couldn't lie to him as the king of the dead thing that Black Panther is. So the good idea that the Deathlok apparently has is to yell at the dead celestial until it wakes up and fixes all problems forever. Except instead of doing that it explodes.

Ajax is gonna be pissed.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#53530: Feb 9th 2022 at 10:35:50 PM

Does Namor still have his water manipulation powers?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#53531: Feb 9th 2022 at 11:11:55 PM

As far as I know, he hasn't explicitly lost them.

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Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#53532: Feb 10th 2022 at 12:34:41 AM

"And speaking of Emma, she also showed up with the Hellions in issue #10 as an antagonist. Exactly when did her Heel–Face Turn officially start?"

I would argue it started in the New Mutants arc following Secret Wars II, where she helped the New Mutants get over the trauma of dying to the Beyonder. That was where she first started showing that she did care about young mutants. It was probably the first time we saw her doing something genuinely altruistic and empathetic. It continued through Claremont's UXM after that, in small moments. After she came back from a coma to find the Hellions were almost all dead was another big moment for that. Generation X was where it became official that she was no longer a villain.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#53533: Feb 10th 2022 at 6:06:10 AM

The powers Namor doesn't have anymore are the ones that explicitly mimic sea-life. So no more pufferfish Namor or electric eel Namor.

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#53535: Feb 10th 2022 at 9:39:53 AM

It continued through Claremont's UXM after that, in small moments.

Interesting. I recall reading that Claremont didn't like Emma's Heel–Face Turn.

The powers Namor doesn't have anymore are the ones that explicitly mimic sea-life. So no more pufferfish Namor or electric eel Namor.

I've been thinking they could give these powers to his cousin Namorita, whom I think is alive somewhere.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#53536: Feb 10th 2022 at 9:40:56 AM

Yeah. Namorita is back lately (not explained how).

So they could do that....if they cared to do anything with her.

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shanejayell Since: Jun, 2011
#53537: Feb 10th 2022 at 9:45:05 AM

[up] Time travel, as I understand it.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#53538: Feb 10th 2022 at 10:04:11 AM

I do know she was brought back through Time Travel.

And now that I think about it, it was never explained if she was ever sent back or not (and considering she's still around, it's more than likely that she wasn't).

One Strip! One Strip!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#53539: Feb 10th 2022 at 12:26:16 PM

I read Spider-Men since it was converted to an infinity and promoted on unlimited

It’s just… not a good comic.

The impression I got was that it was a beloved crossover but it’s just not very good.

For the first crossover between Peter 616 and Miles and arguably what Into the Spider Verse is really based on… Miles is sidelined hard.

They get a fight. Miles hangs out while Peter interacts with the Ultimates and Nick Fury and Ultimate May and Ultimate Gwen. They beat up Mysterio together and Peter gives Miles some wacky advice.

But it doesn’t really feel like Spider-Men. The focus is all in on Peter. It’s more about Peter visiting the Ultimate Universe and dealing with a universe where he’s dead.

And the emotional beats are all weird. I can get Peter being shocked to see a living Gwen. But he’s shocked to the point of tears to see Aunt May. And I was pretty sure 616 Aunt May was alive at this time.

Peter giving Miles his blessing feels so empty because this isn’t the Peter that inspired Miles. (That Peter is faking his death or waking up in a grave somewhere). It has the impact of Tobey Maguire showing up and going “I’m heckin’ proud of you, Miles Morales. You sure are a real Spider-Man.” Because yeah it’s A Peter. A random alternate Peter who is years older than the dead Peter that actually means anything to Miles. It all just feels so weird!

Also Mysterio felt a weird choice for villain. I guess it was to tie up the loose end of the much hyped Ultimate Mysterio who did A thing and then did nothing ever again. But it doesn’t feel like Mysterio. Doesn’t feel like his MO and he’s not being a gloriously hammy melodramatic person about it. Just keeps complaining about how there’s two Spider-Men while trying to hit people with a pipe.

And despite Thor and Iron Man tagging along for the final fight, they don’t do anything. I don’t think Thor even has any lines. He might have been a cardboard standee of Thor.

Just overall a weird story that misses so many marks. I dunno.

Edited by Bocaj on Feb 10th 2022 at 4:09:06 AM

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shanejayell Since: Jun, 2011
#53540: Feb 10th 2022 at 12:54:13 PM

Very Bendis. You do NOT wanna read Spider-Men II. It's worse.

Terra787 Since: Nov, 2021
#53541: Feb 10th 2022 at 1:17:48 PM

[up][up]Peter is crying about seeing an Aunt May who knows who he is and is proud of him because the pre-omd Peter in his soul is agressively shouting at his mind during the scene.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#53542: Feb 10th 2022 at 1:46:41 PM

You made your bed, Peter.

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GMCustom Since: Nov, 2021
#53543: Feb 10th 2022 at 3:46:27 PM
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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#53544: Feb 11th 2022 at 2:00:26 AM

[up][up][up][up] You should read Spider-Men II

It's worse

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#53545: Feb 11th 2022 at 10:55:28 AM

[up][up] Do not post links without providing an explanation of the content behind them so that people don't have to click out to know what's going on.

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#53546: Feb 11th 2022 at 11:07:30 AM

Alright so context for Spider-Men II. At this point I don't really consider it a massive spoiler; the book comes off as very reactionary on Bendis' end because for years fans can asking him about resolving the plot thread he left hanging at the end of Spider-Men and to explain the actual logistics of Miles now being in the 616. Bendis pretty adamantly didn't want to do it for the longest and I feel like that played a massive factor in the Continuity Snarl regarding if Miles still had memories of the Ultimate Universe or not.

Bendis' answer was always "it happened but it doesn't matter, just think of the present." [lol]

So finally he writes Spider-Men II, and it comes off as a very half-assed way to tie up those loose ins and write the original 616 Miles out of the book so that people wouldn't ask him to address it anymore.

Fast forward to the present, a significant chunk of Saladin Ahmed's run on Miles is dedicated to trying to finally clean all the mess up. lol

Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#53547: Feb 11th 2022 at 11:28:00 AM

New Thunderbolts mini with a new line up.

Gotta say, even thought I like most of these characters, I don't like this Thunderbolts team. The entire point of the Thunderbolts is a team of villains, either looking for redemption or forced to operate for good.

From this line up, however, only Hawkeye (who barely counts as a villain) and Persuasion -and maybe that new cyborg character- are former villains, with the rest being purely heroic characters since their inception.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#53548: Feb 11th 2022 at 11:29:18 AM

Oh yeah that is a weird line-up.

It be like having a Suicide Squad book comprised purely of heroes.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
shanejayell Since: Jun, 2011
#53549: Feb 11th 2022 at 11:33:29 AM

And WHY, exactly? I mean, I guess they're functionally acting like a NY based Avengers team, which would explain having powerhouses like Spectrum and America Chavez...

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#53550: Feb 11th 2022 at 11:48:23 AM

They couldn't give a book to the actual Thunderbolts team currently working in Devil's Reign?

Its a pretty random jumble of heroes, curious if there's an actual thing here instead of generic group of NY heroes.

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 11th 2022 at 11:49:00 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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