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A thread for all the miscellaneous Marvel discussion that doesn't have its own thread.

So apparently, they're making a Black Panther movie. Let's hope Hudlin is kept as far away as possible. On a related note, anyone think that the whole 'Super Hero that is also a King/Ruler' is kind of ridiculous? I mean where do heroes like Aquaman and T'Challa find the time to both lead a nation and go gallavanting on the other side of the globe?

Edited by Mrph1 on Sep 1st 2024 at 8:36:28 PM

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#17726: Feb 20th 2016 at 7:56:02 PM

That brainwashing is a horrible thing to do looks to be kinda the point of the story. I'm pretty sure we're not getting a pro-brainwashing story.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#17727: Feb 20th 2016 at 8:03:41 PM

[up][up] Would probably depend on where.

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#17728: Feb 20th 2016 at 8:06:57 PM

All I was wondering since shield is effectively killing these people anyway and it's all hidden why not just kill them physically. or if you must brainwash them put them on an island paradise where they wouldnt want to leave.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#17729: Feb 20th 2016 at 8:15:14 PM

[up] Because killing them physically is still killing them and that's super illegal. Brainwashing them isn't killing them (because as we see, they can be changed back to their old personality), but, again, it's still in that "really pretty bad" category.

But then again, how is brainwashing them and sticking them in an idyllic town any worse than, say, stinking them into an extradimensional prison and leaving them there?

or if you must brainwash them put them on an island paradise where they wouldnt want to leave.
It's pretty clear that nobody aside from Zemo wants to leave Pleasant Hill; they all probably think that it's paradise to them.

And I'm sure you'd believe getting stabbed is better then being shot.
That depends. I would definitely prefer getting stabbed in a non-fatal area than get shot in a fatal area.

edited 20th Feb '16 8:16:54 PM by alliterator

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#17730: Feb 20th 2016 at 8:19:34 PM

Killing them never sticks anyway

Might as well try something new

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#17731: Feb 20th 2016 at 9:19:25 PM

I believe Maria Hill is attempting to turn the supervillains in to productive members of society. I honestly don't think she gives a damn if they would rather die or whatever - in her mind, they probably forfeited the right to choose when they decided to become supervillains.

I'm not saying she's right, but saying that SHIELD should just kill them is misunderstanding the mindset behind the Pleasant Hills project.

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Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#17733: Feb 20th 2016 at 9:49:35 PM

Wasnt Maria Hill always kinda a kinght templar. Granted I always hated the bitch but wasnt she always somewhat amoral?

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#17734: Feb 20th 2016 at 9:51:02 PM

Maria in her early appearances was basically an attractive Dolores Umbridge.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#17735: Feb 20th 2016 at 10:09:26 PM

She is not very nice, no.

Honestly, if she did indeed keep the Kobik project around, then she should probably get fired after this.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#17736: Feb 21st 2016 at 12:21:21 AM

I think she only really became sympathetic during the Secret Invasion and afterwards when Osborn took over and fired her.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#17737: Feb 21st 2016 at 3:37:17 AM

She apparently got a lot of points from people when she helped Tony run from Osborn.

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#17739: Feb 21st 2016 at 12:06:01 PM

I'm not saying I think the villains should be killed, I'm just wondering about the mindset that thinks "ok we got all these villains what should we do? brainwash them into being normal people? got it" when killing them seems easier. I don't see brainwashing them to be justice either because you know brainwashing and all.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#17740: Feb 21st 2016 at 12:18:45 PM

I'm not saying I think the villains should be killed, I'm just wondering about the mindset that thinks "ok we got all these villains what should we do? brainwash them into being normal people? got it" when killing them seems easier.
Killing may be easier, but it's also much harder to justify morally, ethically, and legally. Brainwashing them into living a new life may also be wrong, but not to the same degree as killing them.

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#17741: Feb 21st 2016 at 12:27:41 PM

well I mean they have already crossed a lot of lines trying to warp reality unknown to anyone and then using it to brainwash people after it was stuck in a little girl. I was just wondering where the line was. I mean this is maria hill, the person who tried to arrest cap for refusing to enforce a law that hadnt passed yet.

Also how did Fixer get out of his infinite time loop paradox

edited 21st Feb '16 4:03:52 PM by Deadpoolrocks

MegaJ Since: Oct, 2009
#17742: Feb 21st 2016 at 4:46:46 PM

Nice discussion.

Like I said before, Avengers Standoff would make a better conflict than the premise of Civil War II. I could see Cap being against it and Carol supporting Maria Hill.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#17743: Feb 21st 2016 at 5:32:09 PM

Also how did Fixer get out of his infinite time loop paradox
He built a machine that gave him back his real memories.

[up] I actually can't see Carol (or any of the superheroes) supporting Pleasant Hill.

edited 21st Feb '16 5:32:14 PM by alliterator

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#17744: Feb 21st 2016 at 5:54:08 PM

Fixer: Presumably, with science. Or something. It's not really important. You can't keep a good villain down, even by locking them into a stable time loop.

Pleasant Hill: Yeah, no way would Carol Danvers ever support mind wipes and brainwashing. She has kind of a complicated history with that kind of thing.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#17745: Feb 21st 2016 at 5:55:43 PM

Although I actually can see Carol thinking that precognition is a good idea in stopping attacks. I mean, she was best friends with Mar-Vell and he had Cosmic Awareness, which is pretty much the same thing, right? Of course, his son sort of went mad because of it.

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#17746: Feb 21st 2016 at 6:06:56 PM

[up] She also originally had her own precognitive flashes, though they rarely helped for prevention.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#17747: Feb 21st 2016 at 6:28:26 PM

Ah, that's right.

You know, thinking about it, the conflict for Civil War II makes a hell of a lot more sense than Civil War I. I'll still not sure how it's going to go down, but Bendis has written these characters before - in Mighty Avengers, actually, I think he had Tony and Carol have a mutual crush on each other? Or Carol had a crush on him or something?

In any case, I think he did write them okay and his Invincible Iron Man is pretty good so far, so I'm feeling good about Civil War II.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#17748: Feb 22nd 2016 at 1:02:17 AM

Was it Bendis who had Carol be kind of really bloodthirsty and enjoy watching a alien choke to death after she left him in space while she just floated in front of him? I know his She-Hulk sucked during Disassembled where she was pretty much a brute.

SilentlyHonest Since: Oct, 2011
#17749: Feb 22nd 2016 at 6:14:47 AM

To be fair, She-Hulk being a brute was the work of Scarlet Witch and wasn't supposed to be cool, it was supposed to be out of character and bad.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#17750: Feb 22nd 2016 at 6:21:51 AM

If 616 didn't have the slow moving timescale it has where characters almost never ages and grow old over time, who do you think should've been on the main teams now?

This is late but I didn't have much of a chance to respond to this earlier and I really wanted to ever since I saw this question because it's a topic that interests me a lot.

When I began reading the earlier Spider-man comics, I was surprised to learn that Peter Parker originally aged so quickly. I agree with Stan Lee's assessment that it was important for him to grow up - I'm so glad that he never got stuck in high school, that would have been awful.

It's pretty funny to me that so many Marvel sources talk about how Marvel was a trailblazer for having their stories age instead of being stagnant... boy they must regret giving so much hype to that idea now that they've become a turtle timescale.

Anyway, I think the biggest thing would be how much time has passed? Because I'll admit I still want Peter around, even if I want him to be ageing. Real time just wouldn't work because I feel the monthly issues don't contain enough story to follow the character's growth and they'd age too fast relative to how much we got to see of them.

Anyway, I don't know for sure about the current main team rosters as it is, but I would think it'd be cool if things like the X-men or Avengers could slowly change to the point where members left permanently over time and they'd slowly transition into totally new status quos. Unless that is already the case, but I'm pretty sure that big names like Captain America and Wolverine tend to end up back on the teams when they're not dead or whatever.


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