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HamburgerTime All things pure and good. from Garamsythe Sewer Relationship Status: I know
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Jul 10th 2012 at 2:45:01 PM

[up] We don't really know anything about where Gillen's going yet. Cap, Thor, and the FF's books are all ending too, and the fact that it's highly unlikely that Marvel would let any of these characters go without a book makes me think they'll just be relaunched, possibly with a new title. It's not unfeasible that the same will be true for Uncanny. Actually, I think Gillen is rather more likely to stay on board, because the solicits for the other books loudly trumpet "Bendis's final Avengers story" or "Brubaker's final Captain America story, but there's nothing about "Gillen's final X-Men story."

There's nothing that needs mending/Just follow my words, they will lead you to the ending.
Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Relationship Status: Brony
Jul 10th 2012 at 5:22:46 PM

Gillen hasn't been on the book for long, so hasn't had a real chance to define the characters the way the other writers have on their books. So it's not surprising that they wouldn't mention it. I just don't see a reason for them to dub it a "final issue" if it's keeping the same writer.

Maybe I'm wrong. I really, really hope I am. But Gillen also has the problem of living in England, keeping him from attending any of the retreats. So if UXM is going to be further re-integrated into the larger Marvel U - which seems likely, given Uncanny Avengers - Marvel may want an "architect" on it. Maybe Jason Aaron, though I sincerely hope not. I have not been at all pleased with Wat XM.

They could always give it to Christos Gage. X-Men Legacy is getting the "final issue" treatment, and Gage has plenty of critical approval.

But man, all these writers being moved around, and yet they're still not taking Daniel Way off Deadpool. Dammit.

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C0mraid from Here and there
Jul 10th 2012 at 6:27:48 PM

There's a sentimental aspect to the Fantastic Four book, it marking the beggining of Marvel as we know it today. It's treated as a potential top seller when it hasn't been for decades. In the past books like Cap and Thor have been given some leeway in sales and there's usualy more effort to keep them alive than 3rd and lower tier books like New Mutants. But even they were never treated to the breaks FF has been given, especially back in the early 90's.

Assuming these books aren't going to be quickly revived in some form, it'd be interesting to see if things have changed or if FF has been selling worse than the other titles.

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gregyo gregyo from Austin, Texas
gregyo
Jul 10th 2012 at 6:43:50 PM

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You don't like Daniel Way's Deadpool?!

HamburgerTime All things pure and good. from Garamsythe Sewer Relationship Status: I know
Jul 10th 2012 at 7:28:40 PM

[up][up]A lot of people don't. It took out the heart and soul of Deadpool to just put him in a bunch of wacky situations. Which were present before but they had heart and soul. And lasting consequences. It does seem to be changing though. It just took 50 issues.

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Relationship Status: Brony
Jul 10th 2012 at 8:14:56 PM

Daniel Way's Deadpool is awful in every way. He's shown he doesn't really understand the character. He's focused more on wacky hijinks than in actual character development. What little character development there is, is always shallow, brief, and forgotten quickly. Even the humour is shallow, based around him talking to himself rather than the pop culture references of the past.

Compare it to Remender's handling of the character in Uncanny X-Force. He's hilarious, dark, insane, heroic - everything the character is supposed to be. I would love Remender doing Deadpool's solo. Remender is the first writer since Joe Kelly to truly get Deadpool.

Way's biggest problem is that he seems afraid to go serious with the character. He wants to keep the book light. But Deadpool, at his best, has always been a very dark character. Always fun, but dark. Way seems afraid to go dark, and that prevents him going too deep into the character. Every time you think he's going to really delve into who Deadpool is, and what drives him, he pulls back. The issues where Deadpool was put into an insane asylum? There was a huge amount of potential in that arc. And it started to look like Way might really explore it. He recognized the scene from a puzzle without even needing to put it together. He needed his mask. He even lost those annoying inner voices that Way has come to rely on for most of the humour.

But then Way pulled back. He went a totally different direction, with his psychiatrist secretly loving him and Deadpool being disgusted because - horror - she's a little chunky and wears glasses. (I really don't think Deadpool should've been written as being that shallow, either, but I'll set that complaint aside.)

Then he brought in Evil Deadpool, which could've been a fascinating and compelling look into who Deadpool is, what makes him tick. He could've been horrified at having another version of him running around killing people, and shown a sense of responsibility for his evil version's existence. He even could've looked at this dark reflection and used it as inspiration to change his ways.

Instead, they shot at each other. No inner conflict from Deadpool, no examination of who he is and what he does. Just, "We should get bigger guns."

Even now that Deadpool's lost his powers, I doubt Way's going to use it as a method for exploring Deadpool's character. He's going to use it for wacky hijinks.

Way needs to be taken off that book. He is the single worst writer Deadpool's ever had. Hands down.

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Jul 10th 2012 at 9:15:40 PM

[up]In fact Deadpool has been shown to be into fat girls before. Like Big Bertha. So that made no sense about the Psychiatrist. I do agree that Remender gets Deadpool better and would like to see him do Deadpool solo. Or Niseznia do Cable and Deadpool II Electric Boogaloo

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Relationship Status: Brony
Jul 10th 2012 at 9:19:25 PM

The psychiatrist was unattractive in general, which made it slightly less aggravating. But she was borderline Hollywood Homely - not the disgusting beast that Deadpool's reaction made her out to be.

But yeah, I've never seen Deadpool as a particularly shallow character. He likes hot chicks, sure, but he doesn't seem like the type to freak out over a woman being moderately unattractive.

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Jul 10th 2012 at 9:24:06 PM

[up]He is in love with Bea Arthur, and loves him fat chicks. So yeah he just will basiccally go for anything.

LMage Scion of the Dragon from Miss Robichaux's Academy Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Scion of the Dragon
Jul 10th 2012 at 9:42:52 PM

I thought "The Mighty Thor" had become "Journey Into Mystery" with Kid!Loki as the protagonist?

"You are never taller then when standing up for yourself"
Jul 10th 2012 at 10:23:13 PM

It had. Then they also released a New Thor Commic starting at 1 to coincide with the Movie. They did the Same with Captain America and turned his old book into a Cap team up.

Also Ji M is the best book Marvel has out right now and I am sad it is ending.

HamburgerTime All things pure and good. from Garamsythe Sewer Relationship Status: I know
All things pure and good.
Jul 12th 2012 at 9:50:26 AM

So, apparently they've been saying that in the aftermath of AvX, the jackass Muggles of the Marvel Universe will be less of dicks to mutants. I guess they decided Grant Morrison was right after all...

They've also announced the first of the new post-AvX series, "All-Winners Squad." Apparently, the point of the series is to spotlight minor-but-popular characters, and Squirrel Girl and Doop have been confirmed for the roster thus far.

edited 12th Jul '12 9:50:41 AM by HamburgerTime

There's nothing that needs mending/Just follow my words, they will lead you to the ending.
Jul 12th 2012 at 12:29:46 PM

Wait what? Marvel humans being non dicks? I..I dont understand.

HamburgerTime All things pure and good. from Garamsythe Sewer Relationship Status: I know
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Jul 12th 2012 at 2:01:42 PM

[up] 'swhat I've heard. So, I guess the moral of the late-2000s Crisis Crossover boom is: if Grant Morrison wants a 17-year run on the X-Men, give him one, or else you'll have to go through fifty Crisis Crossovers to get from Point A to a Point B at which, had you kept said Grant Morrison around, you would've arrived at anyway.

Though, to be entirely fair to the editors, I have no idea who started the fight over Marvel Boy, so it could've been Morrison's own damn fault that he was kicked out for all I know.

There's nothing that needs mending/Just follow my words, they will lead you to the ending.
Jul 12th 2012 at 3:53:29 PM

Wasn't the human population being dicks the result of John Sublime or something?

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LMage Scion of the Dragon from Miss Robichaux's Academy Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Scion of the Dragon
Jul 12th 2012 at 4:02:18 PM

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Anti-Mutant-semitism has been something that's been fading for a while.

It helps that being a Mutant is basically a free pass to being a superhero now, which seems to have replaced being a sports star it terms of prestige in the marvel verse.

"You are never taller then when standing up for yourself"
HamburgerTime All things pure and good. from Garamsythe Sewer Relationship Status: I know
All things pure and good.
Jul 12th 2012 at 4:10:23 PM

[up][up] Sublime is by far my favorite X-villain, but I think attributing all of the What the Hell, Townspeople? tendencies of Marvel's citizenry to him is impractical.

Regardless, he doesn't seem to be involved in this event, so I'm guessing the de-dicking will come from another source.

edited 12th Jul '12 4:11:18 PM by HamburgerTime

There's nothing that needs mending/Just follow my words, they will lead you to the ending.
Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Relationship Status: Brony
Jul 12th 2012 at 4:17:58 PM

Maybe the Avengers finally go out and tell people, "Hey, dudes, lay off the mutants. They're cool, man. They're just like the rest of us. We've all gotta come together, and stand united against the real threat: Nickelback. Now there's someone we can all agree to hate."

Because, seriously, Nickelback sucks.

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HamburgerTime All things pure and good. from Garamsythe Sewer Relationship Status: I know
All things pure and good.
Jul 12th 2012 at 5:09:13 PM

[up] That seems to be the general guess at CBR for how it'll go down. "Hi, we're the Avengers, and we endorse mutants!"

There's nothing that needs mending/Just follow my words, they will lead you to the ending.
LMage Scion of the Dragon from Miss Robichaux's Academy Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Scion of the Dragon
Jul 12th 2012 at 5:11:48 PM

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Aren't a large number of Avengers Mutants at this point anyways? I know Storm ditched, but there should be others...

"You are never taller then when standing up for yourself"
HamburgerTime All things pure and good. from Garamsythe Sewer Relationship Status: I know
All things pure and good.
Jul 12th 2012 at 5:16:32 PM

[up] Wolverine and Beast, and the latter is apparently going Screw This, I'm Outta Here!. Also, Captain Britain, although they've flipflopped over whether he's a mutant or powered by magic several times over the years.

edited 12th Jul '12 5:17:00 PM by HamburgerTime

There's nothing that needs mending/Just follow my words, they will lead you to the ending.
gregyo gregyo from Austin, Texas
gregyo
Jul 12th 2012 at 5:52:44 PM

[up]

You forgot Pietro. But he sucks, so good job.

LMage Scion of the Dragon from Miss Robichaux's Academy Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Scion of the Dragon
Jul 12th 2012 at 5:55:00 PM

@greg

Wait, I thought Pietro had gone back to being Daddy's Little Villain? Even so, it seems odd that he would stay on the Avengers given the absolute shit way they are treating Wanda.

edited 12th Jul '12 5:55:13 PM by LMage

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HamburgerTime All things pure and good. from Garamsythe Sewer Relationship Status: I know
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Jul 12th 2012 at 6:15:04 PM

[up] Well, that would certainly be unusual, given that he has no daddy to be a little villain to anymore. Erik's seemingly gone good, for good.

There's nothing that needs mending/Just follow my words, they will lead you to the ending.

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