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A thread for all the miscellaneous Marvel discussion that doesn't have its own thread.

So apparently, they're making a Black Panther movie. Let's hope Hudlin is kept as far away as possible. On a related note, anyone think that the whole 'Super Hero that is also a King/Ruler' is kind of ridiculous? I mean where do heroes like Aquaman and T'Challa find the time to both lead a nation and go gallavanting on the other side of the globe?

Edited by Mrph1 on Sep 1st 2024 at 8:36:28 PM

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#71801: Jun 5th 2025 at 10:31:36 PM

"Loki really needs to die, they are the definition of a ginormous pain in the ass." While I'm not currently reading any of Marvel's stuff, I still disagree with you. Loki, when written well, has been a phenomenal character for a while. Are they a pain in the ass? Sure. But they're also really compelling, as someone where you never really know what they're up to. They'll commit villainy as part of a heroic plot. It makes for really interesting stories.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#71802: Jun 5th 2025 at 10:37:15 PM

I'm not saying they are a bad character, just that Thor would be better off if Loki wasn't in his life. No matter what things always end with Loki manipulating Thor and backstabbing him for whatever reason. Loki as a person is shit personified and is a toxic figure in Thor's life.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 5th 2025 at 10:40:11 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#71803: Jun 5th 2025 at 11:19:39 PM

I still remember that little flowchart online that illustrated how everything wrong with Thor's life boils down to a Loki scheme one way or another.

It's to the point that when Loki showed up in Young Avengers, it wasn't a huge surprise that they turned out to be the real Big Bad of that arc.

Edited by M84 on Jun 6th 2025 at 2:21:12 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#71804: Jun 5th 2025 at 11:57:09 PM

The big villain of 'Immortal Thor'' has been the Utgard-Loki, the elder god who created the trickster archetype in the first place, and who also narrates and leans on (or breaks) the fourth wall.

Toranos, the primeval storm god, and the elder gods Thor fought over the last couple of issues are all doing his work.

Earlier issues made it clear that Thor doesn't have all of the tools he needs to defeat them, so has been doomed for a while. I'm willing to bet that Loki's backstab is just a tool to help their brother in some way. Either setting him up for his spirit to face the Utgard gods on fairer terms next issue, or taking that plot line into the new Thor series with him.

Every bard-type narrator in the series - Loki, Braggi, Utgard-Loki - has been seeing a set of narrative rules that Thor himself doesn't. The gods are bound by stories etc, something that was emphasised when talking about Skurge's return and fate.

(And I do like how Skurge has been written in this series)

I suspect Ewing's not finished with that yet.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#71805: Jun 6th 2025 at 12:02:39 AM

It's totally on-brand for them to think that the best way to help Thor still involves a literal backstabbing.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#71806: Jun 6th 2025 at 12:10:26 AM

[up] Absolutely. I get the impression that it would have been avoided if Thor had done whatever Loki wanted to manipulate Thor into doing earlier in the series, after their whole "trust me as your enemy" speech, but Thor got tired of Loki's crap and banished them instead.

From Loki's perspective they're playing 4D chess against an older, more powerful god of stories, but from Thor's perspective their sibling's dangerous Trickster Mentor shtick is turning them into a real asshole. Again. Both are true.

Where readers fall on that scale probably depends how much they like Loki and Ewing's meta storytelling. I've enjoyed this run a lot, but Thor always shines a little brighter when Loki's not in the scene to share the spotlight.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#71807: Jun 6th 2025 at 5:22:25 AM

Loki amusingly fits into the "hard man who makes the tough decisions" archetype now as their role is to essentially manipulate Thor and do fairly awful things under the belief it's all necessary to save the day.

Cause even if it is going to save everything, Loki is still betraying Thor and hurting him.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#71808: Jun 7th 2025 at 6:11:40 PM

So Hickman recently did an interview on the podcast Off Panel

Some interesting details is apparently they won't be continuing the real time monthly time-skips for the Ultimate titles after Maker returns.

Also Hickman doesn't like solicits. Don't believe them as he'll straight up lie to hide what he's really writing.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#71809: Jun 10th 2025 at 8:39:26 AM

‘The Undead Iron Fist’ resurrects Danny Rand in new series

New Iron Fist miniseries starring Danny, written by Jason Loo and art by Fran Galan.

The plot is Danny going to expose K'un-Lun's darkest secret before his time runs out. Yeah it's not really much of a synopsis.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#71810: Jun 10th 2025 at 9:40:32 AM

Danny died?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#71811: Jun 10th 2025 at 9:52:16 AM

In the last Iron Fist anniversary special yes.

And it ends with his hand coming our of the grave all translucent and shit.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#71812: Jun 10th 2025 at 12:11:18 PM

Hah. When your the (former) Iron Fist, it makes sense that the hand is the first part to come out when you rise from your grave.[lol]

Sure, it's the limb that most people would come out with first if they could do that, but it's even more appropriate for Danny.

One Strip! One Strip!
HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#71813: Jun 10th 2025 at 2:25:13 PM

Per the cover, he now has a purple glowy hand. Very important difference.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#71814: Jun 10th 2025 at 2:35:19 PM

So then he has Psycho Power?

....or wait. Shit! Maybe he has the other Psycho Power?

All I know is it's Purple. So he might be powerful, but it sure as hell ain't good.

One Strip! One Strip!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#71815: Jun 10th 2025 at 3:05:34 PM

Okay this part got a laugh out of me.

I was so relieved to not encounter any fan backlash or outrage when I killed off Danny Rand. Because there was always a plan to bring him back, but we wanted to make the fans wait,” Loo explained. “Not only was I busy plotting his next explosive chapter, Danny has been going through his own journey to find his way back into the 616 land of the living. And from the very first issue, he’s back swinging with ruthless vengeance. Artist Fran Galán is bringing so much wicked kineticism on every page, readers are going to be floored by this book.”

Talk about a bald faced lie, there was definitely people annoyed about the whole thing. [lol]

Suffice to say Loo's involvement in this is not an exciting prospect. He wrote the terrible Sentry mini from 2 years ago.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 10th 2025 at 3:06:10 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#71816: Jun 10th 2025 at 3:19:57 PM

What has he written since that mini?

What did he write before that?

One Strip! One Strip!
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#71817: Jun 10th 2025 at 10:04:37 PM

Gotta admit, The Undead Iron Fist is a really, really good title/joke.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 10th 2025 at 10:04:50 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#71818: Jun 10th 2025 at 10:08:45 PM

Well, I guess he's kinda still immortal.[lol]

One Strip! One Strip!
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#71819: Jun 11th 2025 at 4:27:19 AM

The Pride special's out today, with Al Ewing's lead story putting some of the Avengers Academy crew (along with Dr. Charlene McGowan from his Immortal Hulk run... and Loki) against the Hate-Monger and a bunch of fascists. Some of the dialogue is a little on-the-nose given world events.

The Mystique and Destiny tale, "Good Night, Blue Rose" is largely a dream sequence with Mystique picturing the better life they could have had, possibly as better people. if they kept Kurt, then waking up. Ouch.

The Sera and Black Cat tale is interesting. A character piece digging into old relationships - Felicia's reaction when she realises who Sera's ex is was a highpoint for me.

And Anthony Oliveira does a WW2 story of Captain America and Arnie Roth. Very much reinforcing the idea that Arnie played a similar role to MCU's Bucky as Steve's protector when they were growing up before the war - there's a J.M. DeMatteis interview that touches on it as well. I'd missed how much of that dates back to Arnie's debut rather than this year's Avengers Academy stuff.

Liked that. I think having fewer stories but longer ones is a model that works well for these anthologies.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#71820: Jun 11th 2025 at 7:57:41 AM

In today's One World Under Doom Thor makes a case for Doom by pointing out he himself is king and before him Odin has ruled and protected Asgard for millennia. He wasn't perfect but he still was a worthy king-protector so he sees little difference between his station and Doom.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 11th 2025 at 7:58:06 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#71821: Jun 11th 2025 at 8:51:28 AM

Suddenly I don’t feel that bad about the ending of the most recent Immortal Thor.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#71822: Jun 11th 2025 at 9:35:42 AM

I mean remember Thor did support stevil during secret empire.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#71823: Jun 11th 2025 at 9:38:01 AM

[up][up] Well he has a point especially pointing out several nations on earth have kings too. Dude has a different perspective than the rest especially since he is a literal god-king.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#71824: Jun 11th 2025 at 5:51:42 PM

Oh my God

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/kamala.jpeg

I don't think being in the X-Men has done any good for Kamala

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#71825: Jun 11th 2025 at 5:57:03 PM

My position also

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