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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#51376: Jul 18th 2021 at 7:05:03 PM

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That's the real Beast my friends.

I hope we get him back one day.

Remember when Beast was the chill good guy, way back in 2000s? What the fuck happened?

The tipping point seems to be the aftermath of Avengers vs Xmen when Hank pulled his past self and the rest of the team into the future. After than, he just got worse and worse.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#51377: Jul 18th 2021 at 7:14:20 PM

UA 3 seems to have the most chill X-Men possible to make up for the comics. They’re actually kind of happy Deadpool is over to make tacos and bummed out when the Brotherhood’s attack ruins them.

Edited by Beatman1 on Jul 18th 2021 at 10:14:30 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#51378: Jul 18th 2021 at 7:23:18 PM

I mean, the fact they'd even invite Deadpool proves that.

Though he must also make some fucking boss tacos.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#51379: Jul 18th 2021 at 7:25:53 PM

Its funny how Deadpool has since shifted from unstable psychopath to wacky lunatic.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
ClancyGardener life is a state of mind from 53 miles west of Venus Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
#51380: Jul 18th 2021 at 8:28:30 PM

What heroes in the marvel universe are like Hawkeye: nothing enhanced. No fancy suits, no drinking some special formula that extends their age, or lets them be olympic level without any (initial) training. No extra powers that still leave them with normal durability and strength, like say Daredevil. Just raw skill.

Technically, Black Widow and Nick Fury were both Badass Normals as originally characterized. The Retcons that they were enhanced were only to justify their longevity, considering their origins, in the framework of Marvel's Comic-Book Time. With Nick, it was to justify him still being spry in the 1980s despite being a World War II vet, while with Natasha it was to justify her still being spry in the 2010s despite being a former Soviet agent.

So, you can still consider them Badass Normals by dint of that being their characterization as originally conceived.

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HamburgerTime The Merry Monarch of Darkness from Dark World, where we do sincerely have cookies Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: I know
The Merry Monarch of Darkness
#51381: Jul 18th 2021 at 8:34:56 PM

Yeah, Hank seems to have become the local amoral, coldly pragmatic genius somehow, kinda like Ozymandias from Watchmen. Dunno where it came from but the earliest place I remember this characterization was the “Ghost Box” arc in Astonishing after M-Day, where he Kill Sat’d an alternate Earth to prevent an invasion, explicitly killing not just the bad guys but every living thing within ten miles of their base.

The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#51382: Jul 18th 2021 at 8:44:27 PM

Did he eat Dark Beast and absorb his douchebaggery?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#51383: Jul 18th 2021 at 8:47:10 PM

Of all the retcons characters get to explain their derailment, we still don't have one for Beast.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
FOFD Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishing you were here
#51384: Jul 19th 2021 at 4:25:52 AM

I was surprised to find this in the third issue of New Warriors from 2014. Real Simpsons moment here.

Akira Toriyama (April 5 1955 - March 1, 2024).
MegaJ MLM of color Since: Oct, 2009
MLM of color
#51385: Jul 19th 2021 at 5:16:49 AM

[up]I loved that volume, wish it continued…

GrigorII Since: Aug, 2011
#51386: Jul 19th 2021 at 8:17:38 AM

Some Marvel heroes with no powers

  • Alex Wilder
  • Black Cat (*)
  • Elektra (not sure)
  • Gertrude Yorkes
  • Jemma Simmons
  • Leo Fitz
  • Maria Hill
  • Melinda May
  • Mockingbird (*)
  • Patsy Walker (*)
  • Phil Coulson
  • Power Princess from Earth-712 (Squadron Supreme (2015))

Those with (*) started without powers, but nowadays do have powers. Patsy started in "Millie the Model", a romance comic with no superpowers, before becoming Hellcat.

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RavenWilder Raven Wilder Since: Apr, 2009
Raven Wilder
#51387: Jul 19th 2021 at 9:23:03 AM

A lot of Badass Normal superheroes are from the Golden Age (or are legacies of/supporting characters to Golden Age heroes) when a lot of the heroes being created were just standard pulp detective heroes wearing a costume. Since DC has a lot more Golden Age heroes in its portfolio than Marvel does, it's got a lot more Badass Normals.

"It takes an idiot to do cool things, that's why it's cool" - Haruhara Haruko
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#51388: Jul 19th 2021 at 9:24:17 AM

[up][up]Phil Coulson doesn't count since a) he's not really a superhero, just a regular guy who happens to work with them on occasion and b) he's not a hero period — there's a reason he ended up in Hell.

Alex Wilder's also not a hero, nor is he exactly normal anymore. He's a revenant zombie now.

Edited by M84 on Jul 20th 2021 at 12:25:41 AM

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#51389: Jul 19th 2021 at 9:28:26 AM

I don't think Elektra would qualify as a badass normal either given her Ki Manipulation and Supernatural Martial Arts abilities.

And how heroic she is depends on the writer.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#51390: Jul 19th 2021 at 9:29:45 AM

There is also Shang-Chi, who jumps between really good kung fu and having some mystic stuff going on aside from the kung fu.

Edited by Blueace on Jul 19th 2021 at 12:30:15 PM

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#51391: Jul 19th 2021 at 9:36:53 AM

It's interesting that Marvel is often (inaccurately) viewed as the "relatable" alternative to DC despite having fewer non-powered heroes.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#51392: Jul 19th 2021 at 9:38:23 AM

Marvel's more "relatable" since it gives its heroes more realistic problems and failings, superpowers or not. Tony Stark's struggle with alcoholism is one example, as is the Fantastic Four's familial dysfunction. And of course there's Peter Parker, who shows that superpowers don't really help one deal with the problems of ordinary life.

Edited by M84 on Jul 20th 2021 at 12:39:59 AM

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GrigorII Since: Aug, 2011
#51393: Jul 19th 2021 at 9:53:24 AM

Daniel Espinoza also ended up in Hell, so I prefer to decide by myself who is and who isn't a good guy, and screw the celestials.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#51394: Jul 19th 2021 at 9:56:15 AM

[up]Phil Coulson went to Hell for waterboarding prisoners.

He earned his place there.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#51395: Jul 19th 2021 at 10:03:36 AM

I don’t think the Celestials are sending people to hell. They’re too busy destroying entire populations with a big thumbs down

Edited by Bocaj on Jul 19th 2021 at 1:04:11 PM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#51396: Jul 19th 2021 at 10:04:54 AM

They're not really doing that right now either. They're a bit busy being dead, assuming they didn't survive what Knull did to them.

Edited by M84 on Jul 20th 2021 at 1:05:45 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#51397: Jul 19th 2021 at 10:05:03 AM

Elektra has ki manipulation powers?

I know she got revived by the hand, but ki powers is new with her.

How long has that been a thing?

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#51398: Jul 19th 2021 at 10:06:26 AM

The resurrection itself is what empowered her since it gave her a connection to the Hand's demonic master the Beast.

Edited by M84 on Jul 20th 2021 at 1:06:40 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#51399: Jul 19th 2021 at 10:07:57 AM

I didn’t know that Hank McCoy commanded the loyalty of ninjas

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kkhohoho Deranged X-Mas Figure from The Insanity Pole Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords

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