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Bocaj Funny, but not helpful from Here Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny, but not helpful
Aug 7th 2019 at 8:29:50 PM

Aren't they all babies except for Morlun?

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Aug 7th 2019 at 8:45:08 PM

Indeed. I don't think we'll see any of the Inheritors in a while. I expected the Spider Norman Osborn to be the next threat in the next Spider-Verse crossover, but Sp Ock is already dealing with him.

Aug 7th 2019 at 9:02:25 PM

I'm honestly not sure where the Kindred subplot is going.

I assumed that it would mainly just be in the pages of ASM, but ASM #25 suggests otherwise.

Aug 8th 2019 at 9:45:30 AM

I read Future Foundation and quite liked it, though I didnít like the confirmation that Avengers Academy hasnít been officially dissolved. I guess thatís what having like, half the kids killed and traumatized does.

Bocaj Funny, but not helpful from Here Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny, but not helpful
Aug 8th 2019 at 10:09:54 AM

A different Perspective on Jack Kirbyís Art

I did a bit of experimenting with Photoshop to color directly on top of a cleaned up Jack Kirby Pencil sketch, since I always thought that his art often tends to loose something when inked.

for the sake of comparison, I actually also colored a Jack Kirby sketch that had been inked.

Does anyone have any preferences?

Edited by megaeliz on Aug 8th 2019 at 1:11:15 PM

kkhohoho Deranged X-Mas Figure from The Insanity Pole Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Deranged X-Mas Figure
Aug 8th 2019 at 10:12:36 AM

[up]I prefer inked myself. It's a bit cleaner and more polished by comparison.

Sonic and the Freedom Fighters — Blue Horizon: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12583620/1/Sonic-and-the-Freedom-Fighters-Blue-Horizon
Aug 8th 2019 at 10:48:34 AM

Cosmic Ghost Rider Destroys Marvel History has ended, and guess what... it is all canon!

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Aug 8th 2019 at 2:02:21 PM

[up][up] I kinda feel like you loose some of the energy and dynamism of Kirby's line-work though.

Edited by megaeliz on Aug 8th 2019 at 5:05:52 AM

Cortez Bien chicky starr. from Puerto Rico
Bien chicky starr.
Aug 10th 2019 at 2:43:10 AM

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Pretty sure Hank merging with Ultron was probably a bigger factor. He's still fused with Ultron.

Plus the other teachers and students have since moved on to other things.

Edited by Cortez on Aug 10th 2019 at 5:43:45 AM

" They truly were an Aqua Teen Hunger Force"
TargetmasterJoe Much more than meets the eye! from The City, USA Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Much more than meets the eye!
Aug 10th 2019 at 1:40:31 PM

[up] Wait, I thought Hank died a while ago during The War of the Realms.

Maybe I'm wrong?

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Bocaj Funny, but not helpful from Here Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny, but not helpful
Aug 10th 2019 at 1:45:13 PM

He died during Infinity Countdown.

After he and Ultron were merged together and Ultron was basically wearing him like a windbreaker, his soul got sucked into the Soul Stone when Ultron got his hands on it. Inside the Soul Stone he was entranced and eaten by weird eldritch spider monster called Devondra which eats souls and poops out a new universe. While his soul was being eaten he had a hallucination that he had friends that cared about him.

It was the saddest possible thing. He died unmourned and unheralded because his friends had written him off for dead when they let Ultron waltz off with his skin.

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RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
Not actually a minor
Aug 10th 2019 at 1:54:07 PM

Every time you type that it gets funnier.

alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
professional crastinator
Aug 10th 2019 at 3:17:35 PM

He died unmourned and unheralded because his friends had written him off for dead when they let Ultron waltz off with his skin.
I mean, there was an entire story-arc in Uncanny Avengers where the Wasp tried to determine if there was anything of Hank left and found that it was merely Ultron wearing Hank's skin. She couldn't have known there was a part of his soul still there.

Of course, the same writer (Gerry Duggan) also wrote that issue of the Infinity Countdown, so I guess he loves making things worse for Hank.

Also, even though Devondra ate his soul, he could still come back. Superheroes have come back from worse.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
Bocaj Funny, but not helpful from Here Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny, but not helpful
Aug 10th 2019 at 3:20:18 PM

I expect him to come back sometime. And I half expect he'll come back as Old Man Hank to try to capitalize on the movie.

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WolfThunder Before the storm closes in, the wolf howls at th
Before the storm closes in, the wolf howls at th
Aug 10th 2019 at 3:30:27 PM

So I want to ask, what do you guys think of Gorr the God Butcher? I ask because he's rumored to be the Main Antagonist of the upcoming movie Thor: Love and Thunder. I hope that that's the case because I think he's really cool.

The storm has now resided, the wolf now rests.
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
Aug 10th 2019 at 3:35:16 PM

I liked the arc in the comics, but it feels beyond pointless for this Thor. He's already been kicked around, humbled, humiliated. He's already lost and has basically nothing left. Gorr's function as a villain is to make Thor question the purpose of the Gods, to wonder if his glory and greatness is deserved and if the good that he does as an individual is enough to excuse the shittiness of so many different gods as a collective. But when Thor is the only god, and when he's already lost so much, and when gods in the MCU are basically just Kryptonians or Vulcans or any other super badass alien-human, what's the point?

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Aug 10th 2019 at 3:38:06 PM

[up]Seems like MCU Hela was a better ringer for Gorr than just a power set...

alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
professional crastinator
Aug 10th 2019 at 4:45:49 PM

Yeah, unless they changed him radically (which they could), Gorr's power was pretty much already done with Hela. And I know they are introducing Eternals, but Gorr's whole thing was that he hated "the gods" because they didn't answer his prayers, but the MCU doesn't really have "gods." The Asgardians don't answer prayers and are more akin to really, really long-lived aliens, rather then MU's actual Norse Gods.

Of course, Taika did change some of that in Ragnarok (saying that Odin was at least half-a-million years old), so he might introduce more God-like aspects. I kind of hope he introduces Hel, so we can see Hela again.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
Aug 10th 2019 at 5:09:20 PM

Gorr the God Butcher is one of my favorite new villains, partly 'cause he's heavy metal as all-get-out, and because he's got such a pretty tragic sensibility and he has awesome lines. "Gods are either useless or evil, I've yet to decide which is worse." And that bit he tells Thor the Avenger that he knows on some level Gorr is right, and he's the Thor who doubts, which makes him his favorite Thor. Those are such amazing bits of camaraderie from a total psychopath, and both are in-character and that makes him cool.

I would love to see the God Butcher in the next movie. But he's a pretty dark character overall. And I don't know if the MCU wants to deal with religious questions (even in the safe context of the Norse pantheon, which is an extinct faith, rather than any of today's big established religions with adherents in the billions and high multi-millions). The entire God Butcher story is a religious allegory told in the context of the Marvel Universe.

Thor 4 will be doing Jane Thor, and Jane's biggest triumph is her fight with Mangog, a character who is a prototype for Desaak, and later Gorr. Mangog is a Generic Doomsday Villain animated by the hatred of an entire race that Odin had genocided. Thor Ragnarok already established that Odin was an A-hole, so you can introduce Mangog without much explanation. You can fuse Gorr and Mangog together. Jane in the MCU is established as a woman of science who sees Thor and the Asgardians as Sufficiently Advanced Aliens, but who needs to make that leap into seeing them as gods, and if she gets the power of Thor, and if she's battling cancer and is a personal atheist, you can have a conflict between her and Gorr the God Butcher that tackles some of those issues.

Some people say Amora the Enchantress could be a villain in the next movie OTOH. I personally think Gorr should be the villain because I think Jane Thor should triumph against the biggest, scariest bad dudes of the galaxy rather than a Designated Girl Fight.

HandsomeRob Completely trustworthy from The world that never was Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
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Aug 10th 2019 at 5:14:20 PM

"Gods are either useless or evil, I've yet to decide which is worse."

....that line....is like a massive Lampshade Hanging of how gods are used in fiction.

Video games and JRPG's especially love the second part.

Though as I understand it, didn't it turn out that the reason the gods weren't answering Gorr's prayers was because they were busily fighting for their lives against some kind of Eldritch Abomination that was kicking their asses twelve ways from Sunday...and may have been actively saving the universe and all living being while doing so? I don't know the full details so it's unclear if they had any reasons for fighting beyond so that we don't die.

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Bocaj Funny, but not helpful from Here Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny, but not helpful
Aug 10th 2019 at 5:22:02 PM

The dark god who was fighting another god and crashed into Gorr's planet and dropped the Necroblack sword that Gorr used to become the God Butcher?

That was Knull, the god that predates light, who seriously hates the Celestials, and who created the symbiotes.

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Aug 10th 2019 at 5:26:34 PM

Well the thing is Gorr's motivations become clear if you read the original run. Gorr is a guy you are supposed to agree with and relate to on some extent, he's a Tragic Villain in that sense. And there's a reason that Thor comes to agree that on some level "Gorr is right". The full quote by the way (I paraphrased it above) is:

Gorr: "I only know of two kinds of gods, those who do evil and those who do nothing. I haven't decided yet of which ones deserve my wrath most."

My advice is simply read Thor, God of Thunder by Jason Aaron. You get the entire story and Gorr's motivations. The opening 12 issue arc — The God Butcher/Godbomb tells you all you need to know. Not gonna spoil it because this is a great story, and Aaron's Signature Series Arc. The artwork of that issue by Esad Ribic is also really good. If you want a spoiler/breakdown via Analysis Channel this video by Matt Draper explains it well.

The rest of God of Thunder which goes to 22 issues or so before changing over is pretty great too. And Thor, God of Thunder #13 deals with how Thor handles being a god and responding to prayers across the galaxy. That's a great single-issue of Thor too. Jason Aaron's run on Thor is a favorite of mine and his opening 12 issue arc is an instant classic.

alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
professional crastinator
Aug 10th 2019 at 5:32:47 PM

Oh god, the image of Thor among the anti-gay protesters making it rain on them is amazing. I hope we get that in the movie.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
HandsomeRob Completely trustworthy from The world that never was Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Completely trustworthy
Aug 10th 2019 at 6:39:32 PM

I probably should give it a look.

That being said:

The dark god who was fighting another god and crashed into Gorr's planet and dropped the Necroblack sword that Gorr used to become the God Butcher?

That was Knull, the god that predates light, who seriously hates the Celestials, and who created the symbiotes.

So wait, the God that Gorr got his sword from was an evil god? Well that probably didn't help.

I also find it hard to believe that all the gods were evil or worthless. Maybe from Gorr's point of view, but since I suspect he didn't bother to talk with them much until he met Thor (who, by virtue of being the main character didn't die immediately) lived long enough to at least show one single god who didn't fit his view.

Though it looks like Gorr had more of an impact on Thor than Thor did on him in the long run.

I think I remember reading about how he died; wasn't he killed by totally normal people who's gods he killed and who's lives he ruined through his actions?

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