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Dr.XXX The Mad Doctor
The Mad Doctor
May 25th 2019 at 3:10:06 PM

Peter can join the ranks of Rachel Grey in terms of all the times he gets possessed.

Edit: Well, this makes less sense as a page topper.

Edited by Dr.XXX on May 25th 2019 at 6:10:34 AM

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
May 26th 2019 at 10:44:23 AM

So if I wanted to get into Power Pack, what books would you recommend?

My various fanfics.
alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
professional crastinator
May 26th 2019 at 12:13:59 PM "What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
kkhohoho Deranged X-Mas Figure from The Insanity Pole Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Deranged X-Mas Figure
May 26th 2019 at 8:11:54 PM

So I'm reading the Hickman run of Avengers and... it's okay? It's not bad persay. It certainly fits the bill of 'Big Superhero Action'. The plot is very high-concept and epic in scope, and I can see how it took off. But it just feels lifeless. I'm not saying it needs to be soap or anything, but even for this sort of book, there isn't a lot of focus on the characters. Even when it tries to, it only fleshes out certain characters and only to a point. The strength of the Classic Avengers was that it managed to balance Big Superhero Action with character and heart, but so far there's none of that here. It's readable, and there are parts that are interesting, but it's not very fun. Which for something like this is problematic to say the least.

Sonic and the Freedom Fighters — Blue Horizon: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12583620/1/Sonic-and-the-Freedom-Fighters-Blue-Horizon
alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
professional crastinator
May 26th 2019 at 8:31:53 PM

New Avengers is, I believe, where the character-driven stuff is. But again, there's really only a few characters that get a lot of character-based stuff: Reed Richards, Namor, Black Panther, and, eventually, Doom.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
Not actually a minor
May 26th 2019 at 8:47:25 PM

Hickman's Avengers is why I'm worried about his X-Men. He's all high concept and epic action and apocalyptic consequence with absolutely zero character.

So the X-Men will go to space to fight The Proper Nouns who control all destiny and are eating time or whatever, and who even cares.

alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
professional crastinator
May 26th 2019 at 8:55:30 PM

I would highly recommend reading Hickman's Fantastic Four run. That really did well in regards to its characters, especially Reed, Ben, Johnny, and Val and Franklin.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
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Funny, but not helpful
May 26th 2019 at 9:10:55 PM

In fairness to Hickman, there was a lot of character in his simultaneous New Avengers book.

It was mostly breaking the characters down to itty bitty pieces but thats how it be sometimes.

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May 26th 2019 at 9:41:36 PM

I dropped both of Hickman's Avengers books, they were just so incredibly...dry. Not sure how I will feel about the X-Men run, but it's nice that the X-Books will finally be high profile again.

kkhohoho Deranged X-Mas Figure from The Insanity Pole Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Deranged X-Mas Figure
May 26th 2019 at 9:48:59 PM

So ultimately I decided that the Hickman run was shit and skipped to the current run. It's not bad. It's still not Avengers at its' best, but it's enjoyable without feeling like a big souless mass. It's got character, it's got heart, and it's got life, and that puts it above Hickman if nothing else.

So with Avengers I've got three ongoing Marvel books I'm currently reading, the other two being Champions and Unstopabble Wasp. Which is about all I can afford without going overboard.

Edited by kkhohoho on May 26th 2019 at 11:49:17 AM

Sonic and the Freedom Fighters — Blue Horizon: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12583620/1/Sonic-and-the-Freedom-Fighters-Blue-Horizon
May 26th 2019 at 10:19:56 PM

Hickmanís run needs to be read alongside new avengers.

Dr.XXX The Mad Doctor
The Mad Doctor
May 27th 2019 at 8:29:17 AM

If I wanted Hickman to do anything, it is to create lore. That is where he truly excels. Characters, not so much. His Fantastic Four run seems to be the exception to this where he balances both character and lore pretty well.

X-Men lore has grown stagnant lately, repeating the same plots of extinction and utopia over and over expecting different results. I'll be happy if Hickman slapped a new coat of paint on the thing.

Edited by Dr.XXX on May 27th 2019 at 11:30:26 AM

Bocaj Funny, but not helpful from Here Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny, but not helpful
kkhohoho Deranged X-Mas Figure from The Insanity Pole Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Deranged X-Mas Figure
May 27th 2019 at 9:18:44 AM

[up]Almost makes me wish he had his 16 years. At the very least it would probably be better than what we got.

Sonic and the Freedom Fighters — Blue Horizon: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12583620/1/Sonic-and-the-Freedom-Fighters-Blue-Horizon
HamburgerTime All things pure and good. from Garamsythe Sewer Relationship Status: I know
All things pure and good.
May 27th 2019 at 11:46:16 AM

It is nice to have an inarguably A-list writer on the X-Men again. The past fifteen years of the comic have just seen so many goddamn Happy Ending Overrides that I'm wary about getting sucked in by this fandom again...

There's nothing that needs mending/Just follow my words, they will lead you to the ending.
Dr.XXX The Mad Doctor
The Mad Doctor
May 27th 2019 at 12:42:39 PM

[up][up][up] Even Hickman thinks that Morrison was the last biggest milestone that hit the X-Men. That says a lot about House of M to now.

X-Men: We're going extinct again!

Me: You've dealt with people who have been trying to kill you for decades. I'm sure you have a plan to deal with a disease being blasted into the air or nano-sentinels being dumped in the water supply or an army.

X-Men: Let's sit in the corner in fetal position and scramble like there's no tomorrow.

Me: WTH?

HamburgerTime All things pure and good. from Garamsythe Sewer Relationship Status: I know
All things pure and good.
May 27th 2019 at 12:46:52 PM

Hickman admires Morrison's run?

<Palpatine voice>   GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!   </Palpatine voice>

I thought the NOW period was good for the most part.

Edited by HamburgerTime on May 27th 2019 at 2:49:38 PM

There's nothing that needs mending/Just follow my words, they will lead you to the ending.
Dr.XXX The Mad Doctor
The Mad Doctor
May 27th 2019 at 12:52:37 PM

I'm not particularly fond the Marvel NOW days since I wasn't particularly fond of brining the X-Men from the past and having them stick as long as they did.

HamburgerTime All things pure and good. from Garamsythe Sewer Relationship Status: I know
All things pure and good.
May 27th 2019 at 1:10:27 PM

I feel like, if there's any reason to be optimistic, it's the return of X-Statix. That's a team that simply wouldn't work in Blood 'n' Guts Rosenberg-land where the average person's reaction to mutants is frothing, homicidal rage.

There's nothing that needs mending/Just follow my words, they will lead you to the ending.
Dr.XXX The Mad Doctor
The Mad Doctor
May 27th 2019 at 1:17:01 PM

I think one of the victims of Rosenberg's X-Men has been the sun. I seriously don't remember any sun with the Cyclops X-Men team. It is either cloudy, rainy, snow, or at night.

HamburgerTime All things pure and good. from Garamsythe Sewer Relationship Status: I know
All things pure and good.
May 27th 2019 at 1:27:58 PM

Also, given that Rosenberg's run was due to the aftershocks of a reality-warp storyline, would it be overly optimistic to think a Snap Back is possible?

There's nothing that needs mending/Just follow my words, they will lead you to the ending.
Dr.XXX The Mad Doctor
The Mad Doctor
May 27th 2019 at 3:00:21 PM

It's not just Nate's actions. It's the fact the government also outlawed being a mutant by labeling it as a disease and requiring a vaccine to halt the x-gene.

After typing that, I felt like we stepped into Ultimate X-Men.

alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
professional crastinator
May 27th 2019 at 3:15:08 PM

[up] Did they? I don't think that's happened — the vaccine has become widespread, but they haven't outlawed being a mutant.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
HamburgerTime All things pure and good. from Garamsythe Sewer Relationship Status: I know
kkhohoho Deranged X-Mas Figure from The Insanity Pole Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Deranged X-Mas Figure
May 27th 2019 at 3:42:03 PM

[up]This bit from Champions comes to mind:

"Muties wanna wipe us out! If you're one of 'em, then you're a terrorist!"

[...]

"Uncover your face! What are you trying to hide?!"

Sonic and the Freedom Fighters — Blue Horizon: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12583620/1/Sonic-and-the-Freedom-Fighters-Blue-Horizon

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