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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#6426: Apr 2nd 2018 at 6:35:04 PM

My decision to stick with P Cs for years seems even wiser in hindsight.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Sixthhokage1 Since: Feb, 2013
#6427: Apr 3rd 2018 at 12:54:21 AM

That's going to depend on if they go with an ARM architecture, like they already do for iOS devices, or x86_64. And that's if this report is correct.

edited 3rd Apr '18 12:54:58 AM by Sixthhokage1

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#6428: Apr 3rd 2018 at 1:18:07 AM

Going with x86 or x64 architecture involves paying patent licensing fees. So not likely.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#6429: Apr 3rd 2018 at 6:04:19 AM

I'm not sure why Apple continues to shoot itself in the dick over architecture. PCs aren't like phones or tablets; consumers haven't been conditioned to put up with closed systems that can't do anything but run Apple Approved Apps.

I mean, forget about the business world with this move. Per Google-fu, Apple's 3Q17 market share in PC sales was 6.9% (source). I'm not sure what part of that is corporate sales vs consumer sales, but they can kiss whatever part of it they may currently have goodbye.

edited 3rd Apr '18 6:23:46 AM by Fighteer

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Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#6431: Apr 3rd 2018 at 12:33:22 PM

Basically the ones where ARM isn't already dominant for low-power processors and it wouldn't be prohibitive to start with a license-free processor design from the start.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#6432: Apr 5th 2018 at 5:27:28 AM

Since a few days ago, I've been suffering from a weird problem: Initially, every time I put my laptop on standby and eventually turn it back on, I find that a certain external hard drive has failed to load properly and thus could not be detected by the system. The only fix I could come up with is to do an actual system restart.

Now since yesterday, the problem has escalated so that all of my external hard drives fail to load. This prompted me to look at the device manager, which reports a "code 38" for four instances of "USB mass storage device" where apparently there's a conflict with a "previous instance" of the devices in question that's somehow still in memory.

Anyone got any idea what's going on and/or how to actually fix this?

I use Windows 7, BTW.

edited 5th Apr '18 5:31:37 AM by MarqFJA

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#6433: Apr 5th 2018 at 5:28:30 AM

I don't specifically have a solution to your problem, but a general fix for this sort of issue is to delete the devices from Device Manager and then force it to redetect them.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#6434: Apr 5th 2018 at 5:32:03 AM

... Can you walk me through that? Never done this thing before.

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#6435: Apr 5th 2018 at 5:47:00 AM

In the Device Manager, find the misbehaving device, select it, then click the 'X' button (or select "Uninstall device" from the context menu). This will remove it. Do this for all the external drives. Then click "Scan for hardware changes". It should redetect everything. If not, then you may need some more specific advice.

You may want to create a system restore point (This PC->Properties->System Protection->Create...) first in case you blow something up.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#6436: Apr 5th 2018 at 6:53:07 AM

Well, the good news, my computer didn't blow up, figuratively speaking.

The bad news is that this method just ended up forcing me to restart the computer in order to apply the resulting changes after the hardware scan.

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#6438: Apr 5th 2018 at 12:10:31 PM

Since it is an external HD just unplug it and plug it back in after uninstalling it in the device manager should reinstall everything.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#6439: Apr 6th 2018 at 5:22:15 AM

[up][up] Yes, it did. But what I mean is that I could've achieved the same thing just by restarting the computer.

[up] Actually, scanning for hardware changes after I uninstalled immediately resulted in the system beginning to re-install the drives. For some reason, though, completing that was followed by a message that said I had to restart the computer.

Now I'm so paranoid about this problem manifesting again that I went and disabled the standby function.

edited 6th Apr '18 5:23:23 AM by MarqFJA

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Kiefen MINE! from Germany Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
MINE!
#6440: Apr 6th 2018 at 5:33:56 AM

Disabling the standby option would've been my last resort solution as well.

However before that I would've tried to check if your harddrives have a standby mode activated in the power settings and if disabling that helps preventing the issue. I had a similar issue once where a drive became unresponsive after being in standby.

edited 6th Apr '18 5:34:59 AM by Kiefen

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#6441: Apr 6th 2018 at 5:55:03 AM

Then that makes me wonder why they started having this problem now, because I've been working with these drives for years and put the computer on standby many times before.

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#6442: Apr 7th 2018 at 4:03:15 AM

I have had a few problems here and there with externals not spinning up, unplugging it and plugging it back in usually will fix it. I wouldn't worry too much about it unless it keeps doing it constantly after reinstalling the drivers.

Just to be safe though when you start up the computer next time check your Event Viewer on any errors.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#6443: Apr 9th 2018 at 3:39:30 PM

Well, even disabling the standby mode for USB devices didn't work. I've opened the Event Viewer immediately after seeing that, and under Windows Logs, the System section, I see nine "Warning" messages about "\Driver\USBSTOR failed to load" for several USB devices.

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#6444: Apr 10th 2018 at 1:33:16 AM

If its several USB devices then try uninstalling all your Universal Serial Bus controllers then restart your computer and plug in your USB devices, I usually do it in different slots.

Have you done any hardware changes?

edited 10th Apr '18 3:26:44 AM by Memers

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#6445: Apr 12th 2018 at 5:05:28 PM

Isn't that what Fighteer had suggested before (which I did do)? And no, there have been no hardware changes at all, not this time and not when the problems first manifested (or in between, for clarity's sake). Unless unplugging the headphones for use elsewhere and replugging them into the computer after said use has ended on several occasions counts as a "hardware change".

edited 12th Apr '18 5:06:52 PM by MarqFJA

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#6446: Apr 14th 2018 at 8:09:44 AM

I dunno if this is the right place to ask this but is overclocking important for gaming? Everyone says the i7 8700K is the best but between the added cost of the K version and a really good cooler and a good motherboard that can apparently take advantage of this overclocking, it adds up to $150 or so more dollars for something I dunno if I would even do.

Here is what I'm looking at right now.

(a family member has agreed to cover at least $80 of the build)

Of course I'm not buying anything now but this seems good from what I've been able to research. I was going to get the 650W power supply from Seasonic but is it necessary?

Also no graphics card but I'm fine using the integrated graphics in the meantime.

edited 14th Apr '18 8:10:37 AM by Nikkolas

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#6447: Apr 14th 2018 at 8:38:55 AM

Overclocking? That's pretty much something to do for the sake of it, if you're trying to get every bit of power from a CPU that's doing intensive work. Not, in general, one that you're just using to play games.

For which a top-end i7 is completely overkill, since games are rarely restricted by the CPU. The lack of a GPU and reliance on integrated graphics is the biggest downside you've got going on there—well, that, and if you put on the OS and one large game made in the past three years, you've used half your HD space. Hope you have an old one to use for storage.

Though the integrated graphics there aren't the worst, I think, they're on par with 2012 cards, so they should get by.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#6448: Apr 14th 2018 at 8:45:24 AM

Yeah I have very little interest in any modern game besides Witcher 3. Everything else I want to play is from like, 2011 or before? New Vegas, Witcher 2, Dragon Age 2, all 2011 or maybe 2010. I've already seen an inferior graphics card handle Fallout 3 spectacularly so I can occupy myself with that and all the other non-Witcher 3 games while I save up for my Vega 56. (and hopefully they go on sale. And I'm going AMD because Free Sync is $200 cheaper than G-Sync)

And I've been told all the threads make the 8700 worth it over the 8600K or 8400.

And I have an HDD already if I really need the storage. But I should be fine for a long while and when I do need it, I can drop $150 on a 500GB SSD or even $200 on a 1TB SSD if need be. But that should be way off in the future for me.

edited 14th Apr '18 8:46:26 AM by Nikkolas

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#6449: Apr 14th 2018 at 9:15:24 AM

Well, you'll be down to about 180GB once Witcher III and the OS are installed, regardless of other factors.

And yes, it's a better CPU than alternatives, but not really in a "value for money" sense. What are you going to be using all that excess ability for? The gap between the 8700K and the recommended requirements for W III (3770) in capability is enormous, and the i5-8400 has the same chipset, uses less power, can still run all of those fine, more or less the same integrated graphics, and can go for around half the price.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#6450: Apr 14th 2018 at 9:26:47 AM

Futureproofing and longevity. I've been told hyperthreading and more threads makes a huge difference in at least some games now and more in the future.

All I would be doing is playing games, browsing Internet or videos and maybe recording something with FRAPS or whatever. I don't want to stream or render videos at maximum speed.


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