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PresidentStalkeyes Eats moldy bread and flies into windows from United Kingdom of England-land Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: Do you like me? (Yes ⎕ Definitely ⎕ Absolutely!!! ⎕)
Eats moldy bread and flies into windows
#9676: Jul 16th 2023 at 9:06:27 AM

First time I've about 'Pick Me', and just as it's entering the terminal stage of Online Neologism Disease. :V

Makes me curious how 'real' the Pick Me phenomenon ever was in the first place or if it's always been blown out of proportion to attack women and girls who act in ways outside the norm. Like the whole 'fake gamer girl' thing from a while back.

Those sell-by-dates won't stop me because I can't read!
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#9677: Jul 16th 2023 at 9:15:13 AM

[up][up]But the name predates that incident.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#9678: Jul 16th 2023 at 9:21:57 AM

"Karen" is just the latest slang term used to describe this kind of person. There's a long history of black people in the USA coming up with pejoratives to describe entitled white women who sic authorities on black people. Because there's a long history of entitled white women who sic authorities on black people.

Disgusted, but not surprised
MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#9679: Jul 16th 2023 at 9:56:52 AM

the othe rwiki page itself pointing out "Miss Ann" and "Becky" as such perojeratvies or adjacent ones

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#9680: Jul 16th 2023 at 10:05:12 AM

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Reminds me of how after Gone Girl, some feminists picked up on the "Cool girl" speech to use it as a pejorative term to criticize certain kinds of The Lad-ette who they felt were trying too hard to pander too hard to appeal to cishet men in self-harming ways.

Except it increasingly turned into a way for left-of-center and heavily-online feminist types to demean whatever women they had a personal beef with by accusing them of being insincere Category Traitors, or just being nasty towards GNC women in general. Nowadays the only time I still see it as an insult is from a specific type of online poster poster who engages in a lot of passive-aggressive drama mongering and attempts to bully others via ostracism and throwing shade.

I don't use Tiktok so I have no idea where the "Pick Me" sensation is at or how valid it is, but given the above I wouldn't be surprised if it did wind up there.

Edited by AlleyOop on Jul 16th 2023 at 10:18:20 AM

PresidentStalkeyes Eats moldy bread and flies into windows from United Kingdom of England-land Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: Do you like me? (Yes ⎕ Definitely ⎕ Absolutely!!! ⎕)
Eats moldy bread and flies into windows
#9681: Jul 16th 2023 at 11:16:30 AM

It feels so dumb to me because it's very obviously a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't situation. Are you conventionally feminine? Are you a tomboy? Are you a little weird? None of it matters because you'll be accused of pandering to cishet men all the same. There is no 'winning' option.

And again, I'm skeptical if women who 'pretend' to be these things to catch male attention was ever that widespread to start with. It smacks of assuming that most women only care about enticing men and nothing else, i.e. textbook sexism.

Edited by PresidentStalkeyes on Jul 16th 2023 at 7:21:01 PM

Those sell-by-dates won't stop me because I can't read!
Imca (Veteran)
#9682: Jul 16th 2023 at 11:33:02 AM

[up] This.

Also there is the double standard of it only being a problem when we put on a show to try and attract men, when they do the same back its expected behavior.

Maybe there is the fact that trying to appeal to your desired sex occasionaly is just part of being a sexualy active individual.

Edited by Imca on Jul 16th 2023 at 11:34:55 AM

Risa123 Since: Dec, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#9683: Jul 16th 2023 at 11:46:10 AM

[up] I would also say that people (women or not) are sometimes just being attractive without actively trying to be. Some people are just naturaly friendly, quirky or otherwise have traits that make them attractive.

Edited by Risa123 on Jul 16th 2023 at 8:46:46 PM

Imca (Veteran)
#9684: Jul 16th 2023 at 11:50:34 AM

I kinda figured that part was a given with the post I pointed too any way.

Risa123 Since: Dec, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#9685: Jul 16th 2023 at 11:51:20 AM

[up] Sure I was not trying to correct you or anything just giving my two cents.

Edited by Risa123 on Jul 16th 2023 at 8:52:26 PM

Logaritmus Since: Dec, 2022
#9686: Jul 16th 2023 at 12:39:04 PM

And there is something bad, evil or wrong to try be attractive?

If it isnt work against own personality or happeniess, it is absolutelly OK for me.

Ain if yes... so it hasnt my sympathy or support, never, but still it is choice and life of those people, not mine.

Murataku Don't Feed The Plant from Straya Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Don't Feed The Plant
#9687: Jul 31st 2023 at 6:11:43 PM

I haaaaaaaate the concept of a "pick me" girl, to be honest. I've only ever seen it used as a way to dismiss the opinions of women the speaker personally doesn't like and to silence any form of dissent by painting it as a sad attempt to win male approval.

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GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#9688: Jul 31st 2023 at 6:40:56 PM

Also, like, even if they are putting on a mask to try and appeal to men, who cares?

Almost everyone puts on masks and tailors the way they act depending on who they're talking to. I don't act exactly the same around my grandmother as I do around my guy friends.

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SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#9689: Jul 31st 2023 at 6:50:20 PM

[up][up] Mur, this is gonna be a weird question, but how common is it for female misogynists to think men can't cook?

I ask because in a novel I'm writing, a character is frequently set up with women who buy into "men can't cook" and "women belong in the kitchen" nonsense.

I, for one, consider culinary proficiency a survival skill.

Withdrawn.

[down] Fair enough, although this does have to do with sexism.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Aug 1st 2023 at 10:24:13 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#9690: Jul 31st 2023 at 6:57:51 PM

Not the place for getting writing advice for your own work. Take it to the Writer's Block.

Disgusted, but not surprised
AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man
#9691: Jul 31st 2023 at 6:58:35 PM

[up][up] Yeah this isnt the place.

EDIT: [up][up] No, this REALLY isnt the place for writing advice. Just take the advice before you get in trouble.

Edited by AegisP on Jul 31st 2023 at 7:06:42 AM

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#9692: Aug 2nd 2023 at 4:54:20 AM

After 15 years, Anita Sarkeesian is shutting down Feminist Frequency.

It’s been more than 10 years since Sarkeesian first released Tropes vs. Women in Video Games on You Tube; it’s been 15 years since Sarkeesian’s oldest video and the start of what’s now known as Feminist Frequency. Over the years, she and her team created several groundbreaking You Tube series, hundreds of podcast episodes — done with dozens of collaborators — a games industry-focused support hotline, and a Peabody Award-winning nonprofit organization.

It’s the sort of work that’s both essential and draining — work that’s so meaningful it’s easy to feel an obligation to continue, even in the face of exhaustion. That’s why it’s time for a break. “I’m ending Feminist Frequency because I’m extremely burnt out,” Sarkeesian told Polygon. “I can’t vacation that off. I can’t offload that anymore.”

I didn't pay much attention to Sarkeesian when she blew up in 2012 but did start looking into it as I paid more attention to Gamergate. It seems that she may have been inaccurate in some aspects but overall acted in good faith. The funny thing is, much of her criticism of female characters in video games seemed rather tame compared to what her haters accused her of.

It's very sad that she was subjected to so much venom and harassment for her work. Especially since she often said this:

Remember, it is both possible, and even necessary, to simultaneously enjoy a piece of media while also being critical of its more problematic or pernicious aspects.

Edited by windleopard on Aug 3rd 2023 at 9:34:37 AM

Bisected8 A casual tief of punk from Her Hackette Cave (Primordial Chaos) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
A casual tief of punk
#9693: Aug 2nd 2023 at 5:55:16 AM

I suppose that's the thing. At some point Gamers™ either stopped or refused to understand the difference between the likes of Jack Thompson and just...normal critique and analysis.

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fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#9694: Aug 2nd 2023 at 8:03:30 AM

What she went through was horrendous, and the perpetrators never faced any consequences for it. In fact, many people posit that gamergate was directly responsible for the rise of the alt-right today.

Edited by fruitpork on Aug 2nd 2023 at 8:04:07 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#9695: Aug 2nd 2023 at 8:04:55 AM

It even infected this site. There's a reason there's a rule against discussing it.

Disgusted, but not surprised
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#9696: Aug 2nd 2023 at 8:36:22 AM

I'm starting to feel like I got off really easy regarding my anti-Dirtbag tirades in comparison.

How come a woman saying there are systemic issues with gamer culture incites a hate mob, but a dude going on violent tirades against Dirtbags gets a slap on the wrist?

Edited by SkyCat32 on Aug 2nd 2023 at 11:40:07 AM

fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#9697: Aug 2nd 2023 at 8:38:08 AM

[up][up]there’s still plenty of racism and sexism still hanging around this site. See: Salvador Dali’s page which used to have excuses for his sexism, and one trope page which randomly had an anecdote about trump’s vote count in its examples.

dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#9698: Aug 2nd 2023 at 11:22:43 AM

It even infected this site. There's a reason there's a rule against discussing it.

We had two threads that ended up locked because people just couldn't talk about her in a civil way. It's actually kind of hilarious if you look at the last posts in each thread, posted by the same former mod:

Things on the forum have definitely improved since those days, but it's still an embarrassing moment for this community that "Don't be a dick" is apparently a very difficult concept for some people to grasp.

"I squirm, I struggle, ergo I am. Faced with death, I am finally, truly alive."
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#9699: Aug 2nd 2023 at 1:21:56 PM

I suppose that's the thing. At some point Gamers™ either stopped or refused to understand the difference between the likes of Jack Thompson and just...normal critique and analysis.

It’s not even that, she got far more hate and abuse than Jack Thompson ever did.

One can view her as anything from a groundbreaking journalist testing unknown water to the return of Jack Thompson and the reaction that came about remain vastly out of proportion for what men in a similar position ever received.

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Bishop999 Since: Feb, 2011
#9700: Aug 2nd 2023 at 5:04:01 PM
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