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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#6951: May 14th 2016 at 1:52:56 PM

I think that Blue was talking about general "everyone has to stay fit" tests, not requirement ones for a specific job.

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BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#6952: May 14th 2016 at 5:36:26 PM

Are older soilders also given lower requirements?
They are in the Navy. At 36, I have to do about 15 less push-ups to pass than an 18 year old.
Unless the job is different based on their age and gender, then having different standards for different people based on their age and gender is stupid.
For jobs with specific physical requirements, they have specific, higher, requirements. The baseline, however, takes into account age and gender because it's just supposed to ensure you're staying in good physical shape.

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#6953: May 14th 2016 at 6:38:51 PM

For age, you can at least make the argument that if you're older you have more experience. That naturally assumes you've been in the job for that time, though.

A baseline requirement for "staying healthy" is kind of irrelevant for your job, though. All that's required is that you're fit enough for that specific job.

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hellomoto Since: Sep, 2015
#6954: May 14th 2016 at 7:51:48 PM

So, what are the exact statistics on this 'majority of women don't make it in physical tests' thing? What sort of test is it anyway?

Imca (Veteran)
#6955: May 14th 2016 at 8:14:24 PM

2 passed from however many tried.

And it is stuff like running obstacle courses in full combat gear, which IIRC weighs between 60 and 100lbs.

That alone is not easy.

edited 14th May '16 8:15:33 PM by Imca

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
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#6956: May 14th 2016 at 8:15:26 PM

I recall it being a USMC officer course. However, the amount of applicants were rather low to begin with, which runs into issues of sample size. Expect the anti-feminists to only bring that up when it benefits them.

edited 14th May '16 8:17:30 PM by Krieger22

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hellomoto Since: Sep, 2015
#6957: May 14th 2016 at 9:51:45 PM

What percentage of men passed? Any links to a reliable source showing the numbers?

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
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#6958: May 15th 2016 at 12:09:18 AM

So far, 30 servicewomen have attempted the US Marine Corps Infantry Officer Course. None have succeeded.

The most recent public failure rate is 25 percent, with 10 percent on the first day alone. It's apparently (since I am merely an interested amateur) the toughest training course in the Marine Corps.

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Imca (Veteran)
#6959: May 15th 2016 at 12:11:41 AM

The important part though being that the option is at least THERE now.

Which is more then before.

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#6960: May 15th 2016 at 12:19:44 AM

Publicly, that is.

Probably wouldn't do most news channels good to wind up with a spokesperson whose response to the news was "Well, yeah, women have been in frontline roles for years now, we just didn't tell you because we knew how you would react", though.

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hamza678 Red Like Santa from Christmas Beacon. Since: Apr, 2013
Red Like Santa
#6961: May 28th 2016 at 8:55:10 AM

Pakistani men can beat wives 'lightly,' Islamic council says

The leader of a Pakistani Islamic council has proposed a bill that allows husbands to "lightly beat" their wives as a form of discipline.

In the 75-page proposal, Mohammad Khan Sheerani suggests a light beating is acceptable should the need arise to punish a woman. The proposal bans forceful beating, saying only a small stick is necessary to instill fear. The Council of Islamic Ideology is a powerful constitutional body that advises the Pakistani legislature whether laws are in line with the teachings of Islam.

Its proposed bill is seen as a response to the rejected Punjab Women Protection bill for abused women. The council shunned it as "un-Islamic" and wrote its own bill, which includes the recommendation for the light beating.

"A husband should be allowed to lightly beat his wife if she defies his commands and refuses to dress up as per his desires; turns down demand of intercourse without any religious excuse or does not take bath after intercourse or menstrual periods," Pakistan's Express-Tribune newspaper cited the proposal as saying.

The proposal also calls for a beating if a woman does not wear a hijab, if she interacts with strangers, speaks too loudly or gives others cash without her husband's permission, according to the newspaper.

It also suggests bans on various activities, including women fighting in wars. But it allows women to participate in politics and become judges, and proposes that the need for a guardian for women of age is not required.

The proposal also says that women should not be permitted to receive non-relatives or foreign officials, and they should not use birth control pills without asking their husbands. Proposals by the Council of Islamic Ideology are recommendations and are not applicable unless passed by legislators.

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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#6962: May 28th 2016 at 10:52:38 AM

I really can't tell if they are trying to look more or less backwards with this proposal.

"Look here, we're allowed to beat our women. Don't judge me we're not allowed to beat them too hard."

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Imca (Veteran)
#6963: May 28th 2016 at 11:00:50 AM

As much as I want to make fun of this, because it is horible.....

If there already alowed to beat the wifes, I.... cant say the law is all bad, small steps are still steps, and eventualy they may be.....

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#6964: May 28th 2016 at 11:12:06 AM

As of late there have been efforts to "legalize" what was already a local habit, so I don't think this was a step to regularize the act but to legitimize it.

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Troperfrom95 Aspie and 90's cartoon enthusiast from Ohio Since: Feb, 2016
Aspie and 90's cartoon enthusiast
#6965: May 28th 2016 at 12:22:35 PM

This is a horrible thing to do, there should not be a law to allow anyone to beat their wife/husband. Relationships should be about love and equality, not discipline and dominance. I know many parts of that side of the world only see women as property, but a law to repell wife beating could go along way towards fixing this issue.

Ya, I'm weird like that...
Imca (Veteran)
#6966: May 28th 2016 at 12:25:35 PM

Yes, but that would require them not seeing us as property in the first place, which is not just going to randomly happen....

Troperfrom95 Aspie and 90's cartoon enthusiast from Ohio Since: Feb, 2016
Aspie and 90's cartoon enthusiast
#6967: May 28th 2016 at 12:30:17 PM

A sad fact indeed, Imca. For too long in Human history women have been seen as nothing but property/baby-makers. This mindset wasn't even challenged en-masse until relatively (culturally speaking) recently. I for one think that women should have every right of their male counterparts. One gender is not superior to another.

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#6968: May 28th 2016 at 12:44:45 PM

Suddenly the question, "Have you stopped beating your wife?" doesn't seem so loaded anymore.

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#6969: May 28th 2016 at 1:04:13 PM

Relationships should be about love and equality, not discipline and dominance.

This a recent view.

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Troperfrom95 Aspie and 90's cartoon enthusiast from Ohio Since: Feb, 2016
Aspie and 90's cartoon enthusiast
#6970: May 28th 2016 at 1:09:54 PM

No, I have always had that mindset.

Ya, I'm weird like that...
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#6971: May 28th 2016 at 1:11:26 PM

[up] Handle meant recent in historical terms.

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Troperfrom95 Aspie and 90's cartoon enthusiast from Ohio Since: Feb, 2016
Aspie and 90's cartoon enthusiast
#6972: May 28th 2016 at 1:17:38 PM

Oh sorry, they way he worded it was confusing. Yes its a rather recent world view, as I said in my one post.

It ticks me off that so many people still are in the mindset that one partner has to dominate the other. This isn't just limited to male dominator, female compliant. IMHO, the sooner people realize that love is an equal partnership, the better.

Ya, I'm weird like that...
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#6973: May 28th 2016 at 1:35:02 PM

[up]X5 Actually the "have you" version was never loaded, it's always been the "when did you" version that's loaded, because there's no answer that matches the question that doesn't mean you beat your wife at some point.

But yeah, this may be a slight improvement, which is itself an even more horrifying thing. If it's legal to beat your wife 'lightly' then doing it heavily woudl be illegal, which isn't how it was before.

So progress, but Saten tripping bars levels of progress.

edited 28th May '16 1:36:54 PM by Silasw

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Troperfrom95 Aspie and 90's cartoon enthusiast from Ohio Since: Feb, 2016
Aspie and 90's cartoon enthusiast
#6974: May 28th 2016 at 1:40:34 PM

I don't see how legalizing wife-beating can be seen as progress in any form.

Ya, I'm weird like that...
AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#6975: May 28th 2016 at 1:44:25 PM

Is it an improvement to codify and limit something that already occurs? Is the problem as is with the severity or the frequency? Those laws would limit the severity, but encourage the frequency by making it more explicitly acceptable than previous.

[up][up]The way I see it, it's equally loaded. Semantics, though.

edited 28th May '16 1:44:33 PM by AnotherDuck

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