So, I have been thinking about those Japanese women who dare not speak out when groped. The question that interests me in those situations is, what does a powerful, rich, high-status person do? Those people tend to define politeness, yet also tend to be extremely skilled at asserting themselves and getting their way, if only because they expect to.
So what does a powerful Japanese woman do when she's groped?
Likewise, what does a powerful American woman do with a stalker, in the sort of situation where women of lower status would hide in the toilet?
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that....societal pressure doesn't only exist for the poor.
If anything, it can get even worse for the rich because wealth and prestige are heavily influenced by societal status. A poor person has the luxury of telling someone to go f*ck himself where a rich person is going to be blasted in the nightly news for doing the same.
There are a lot more eyes on powerful, influential people.
edited 21st Apr '16 1:12:21 PM by TobiasDrake
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Ah. Well, the west has made tremendous progress in terms of gender issues in the last 30 years alone, for all the issues that remain. I can only hope the same will eventually be true of Japan.
@TheHandle: As for the American example, probably issues a restraining order and/or sues the stalker. For some reason (
), police tend to be quite a bit more responsive to calls coming from wealthy neighborhoods.
@Drake: Only if that person is a celebrity of sorts and/or extremely, extremely wealthy. The "regular" wealthy don't come under nearly that much scrutiny.
edited 21st Apr '16 2:14:31 PM by CaptainCapsase
That's the sort I meant. Low profile, but still walks down any place like they own it.
Calling the police is a blunt instrument, a second recourse.I was thinking more in terms of social engineering; using status, body language, and harsh words in precisely the right way to get what you want.
In the most extreme cases, think of someone like Oprah. She can judge you and condemn you as sub-human slime with a smile, and make you feel sorry for being born without breaking a sweat.
In the Japanese case (sorry for being persistent) does the Yamato Nadeshiko archetype have no equivalent on the field? I know that they're the social equivalent of a Bad Ass, and just as improbable, but I'm guessing that something like that must exist to inspire it.
I don't think that type of woman would allow themselves to be groped. They would solve it, diplomatically, but they wouldn't stand for the indignity. Ideally, they would verbally eviscerate the men in question, perhaps make them feel like they're an embarrassment to some mother somewhere. Or am I vitally misunderstanding something?
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Let's go to fiction for this one: think Sansa Stark and Cersei Lannister. Both pretty good at different schools of Passive-Aggressive Kombat.
Does neither of them a lick of good against persistent sexist abuse, even though they react with varying degrees of decorum.
In short: if female and Japanese, it doesn't really matter what your station is. You pretty much expect both physical and metaphysical groping... And, are expected to take it like a good little stoic because that's what good girls do.
Politeness and attempts to use social putdowns only gets you so far, and are only about as effective as a cardboard sword when it comes to persistent sexual predators who have tacit social backing.
edited 21st Apr '16 10:42:05 PM by Euodiachloris
The fact that such a thing even needs to exist is depressing.
The fact that it's probably not going to make a dent in molestations on trains is even moreso. I don't have much faith in Siri's ability to repel a train groper. While many cases of sexual assault and outright rape are rooted in ignorance rather than malice, I'm pretty sure the Train Groper knows exactly what he's doing.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.In a twisted way, it is. All those stories have an underlying message of "women are only asking to be groped, get all flustered and aroused, and lose all their thin veneer of dignity at your mighty male hands, and the uglier and more repulsive you are, the better! Just do it, man, they'll be addicted and begging for more in no time."
The most depressing part is that every time it's stopped, it's either the male hero saving a good girl (occasionally said hero was perving on her in the first place and is just outraged that the other guy actually went through with it!), or a bad girl blackmailing the villain.
Western porn, for some reason, rarely involves "breaking" stories. Usually the women are aggressively enthusiastic from the get-go.Occasionally, they have to be eased into it, but it's never coercive. And when things get rough, it's only at their unrelenting insistance.
edited 22nd Apr '16 12:06:16 PM by TheHandle
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.Western porn has plenty of breaking stories. Fifty Shades of Grey for instance.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick![]()
Not really porn, more like weak-ass erotica that toys with "impurity" without committing to it. Also causes people to injure themselves and each other.
edited 22nd Apr '16 1:26:45 PM by TheHandle
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.Well, for what I see in japan train groping is a specific thing, I have a hard time now finding a cultural equivalent but there is.
"Western porn, for some reason, rarely involves "breaking" stories. Usually the women are aggressively enthusiastic from the get-go.Occasionally, they have to be eased into it, but it's never coercive. And when things get rough, it's only at their unrelenting insistance. "
again cultural stuff, how Tobias drake said it? "see women as unicorns....sexy and wonderfull unicorns" we have the ego and the idea of a women going sexy mad of you is better, we understand concern, even if framed in male powerness.
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that is not breaking at all, christian is a damage individual(not in that he is a violent sociopath but that the text call him like that) is just a clasy story of "virging healing bad but handsome boy" with stemy(HA) BDSM, remenber is twilight book but with less puritant mindset and more psuedo BDSM throw in it.
Forgive me, but I've only heard of Fifty Shades Of Grey by reputation, so I'm really not in a position to judge.

Yeah a mod told us to drop it, I belive it runs into the rules about either off topicness or importing drama, either way, let's move on.
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