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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#6676: Apr 14th 2016 at 8:59:24 AM

It's deeper than that. It's tied up in tribal and clan identity with a religious varnish hastily thrown on top.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#6677: Apr 14th 2016 at 10:14:40 AM

That is always true.

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#6678: Apr 20th 2016 at 11:47:44 AM

Female Student Said, 'I'm Fine and I Wasn't Raped.' University Investigated, Expelled Boyfriend Anyway. I've heard of false rape allegations raised by one of the parties involved - but that's probably the first time I heard about false allegations being raised by a third, uninvolved party. Especially since both parties involved deny these allegations.

edited 20th Apr '16 11:54:18 AM by DrunkenNordmann

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#6679: Apr 20th 2016 at 11:59:09 AM

Yeah, that's pretty unambiguous and other sources are backing up the story. I look forward to seeing where this suit goes.

Minor nitpick with reason.com: her name probably isn't Jane Doe. She's named Jane Doe in the suit, but that doesn't mean her name is Jane Doe. "Jane Doe" is the female equivalent of John Doe; it's the designated name for an identity that is unknown or being withheld.

edited 20th Apr '16 12:00:08 PM by TobiasDrake

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#6680: Apr 20th 2016 at 12:03:32 PM

Yeah the police get to go forward with a possible crime investigation regardless of what a victim says, nobody else gets to do that and for good reason.

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#6681: Apr 20th 2016 at 12:07:46 PM

What exactly is Title IX? Because I see that almost always brought up when bullshit like this happens.

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#6682: Apr 20th 2016 at 12:14:53 PM

Title IX is part of the United States Education Amendments of 1972 and states the following:

No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.

Its original purpose was to keep educational institutions and federal programs from barring women from higher education due to their sex, but in this context, the point is being made that the college's presumption of guilt was based entirely on the accused's sex and is therefore a violation of Title IX.

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#6683: Apr 20th 2016 at 1:09:22 PM

Seriously, they had consensual sex. They both are in full agreement about that. That's no reason for him to be expelled. Honestly, it sounds like a witch hunt. Poor guy, and poor gal too. The guy has his education taken from him and the woman is being denied her agency.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Imca (Veteran)
#6684: Apr 20th 2016 at 1:12:34 PM

How does that even happen?

Like.... How does a third party decide consensual sex is rape...

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#6685: Apr 20th 2016 at 1:15:05 PM

By refusing to speak to either of the parties involved and just assuming guilt without even allowing any process to prove innocence.

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#6686: Apr 20th 2016 at 1:16:14 PM

By being an arse. I'm wondering if this is a general witch hunt (as in the administration wanting to be able to say that they expelled X number of rapists) or more personal, the boss person wanted to suspend/expel the guy for their own reasons and just used this as an excuse.

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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
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#6687: Apr 20th 2016 at 1:22:58 PM

I think the administration doesn't want to take any chances with sexual harassment and rape cases by being overzealous and simply punishing anyone being accused rather than take a loot at the case.

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wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#6688: Apr 20th 2016 at 1:24:11 PM

While victim blaming and other aspects of rape culture are definitely big problems in our society, there's also an opposite side of the coin where some people are very willing to believe that the person is guilty no matter what. Some people want blood. Obviously people going forth maliciously indicting people they know didn't do it is probably very uncommon, I have heard that misidentifying people isn't quite as uncommon.

edited 20th Apr '16 7:37:47 PM by wehrmacht

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#6689: Apr 20th 2016 at 1:57:33 PM

A guy lost his Spanish citizenry over such a thing, even though the actual culprit was found and sentenced!

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#6690: Apr 20th 2016 at 7:21:23 PM

[up][up]This, I can guarantee you even with both parties saying that the encounter was completely consensual on both sides that there still will be people trying to insist that the guy totally raped her and she just doesn't realize it.

It's rather sad really just how much humans will justify there own miscarriages of justice.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#6692: Apr 21st 2016 at 9:31:32 AM

Now, regarding that supposed MRA phase, are you sure it wasn't a libertarian phase? That's a ideological group that also tends to be critical of feminism, albeit for different, and far more defensible and rational reasons than right wing attacks on feminism.

edited 21st Apr '16 9:32:19 AM by CaptainCapsase

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#6693: Apr 21st 2016 at 9:39:55 AM

What are those ?

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#6694: Apr 21st 2016 at 9:44:54 AM

[up] The biggest ones are concerns about authoritarian tendencies in some extreme schools of feminist thought, and though I would argue libertarians tend to seriously overestimate the size and power of those fringe groups, I do acknowledge that it's a legitimate concern.

edited 21st Apr '16 9:45:15 AM by CaptainCapsase

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#6695: Apr 21st 2016 at 9:47:25 AM

In my experience MRAs and Libertarian groups are always one in the same.

Oh really when?
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#6696: Apr 21st 2016 at 9:49:27 AM

[up] Right wing libertarians perhaps (which in fairness, is often how the term is used in the United States), you do realize there's two axes on the political spectrum? (left-right and libertarian-authoritarian)

Though I suppose it needs to be clarified that the people with reasonable objections aren't the ones objecting to the basic premise of feminism (men and women should be treated equally).

edited 21st Apr '16 10:30:32 AM by CaptainCapsase

Imca (Veteran)
#6697: Apr 21st 2016 at 10:59:10 AM

Yea very sure, but we're not allowed to continue that topic.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#6698: Apr 21st 2016 at 12:23:31 PM

[up] The rules of OTC wouldn't seem to suggest that; it forbids discussing "who is more oppressed" in regards to race, religion, gender and so on, but that's not inherently related to this line of discussion.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#6699: Apr 21st 2016 at 12:49:07 PM

edit: nvm

edited 21st Apr '16 12:52:41 PM by wehrmacht

Imca (Veteran)
#6700: Apr 21st 2016 at 12:56:32 PM

No, but a mod told us to drop it, they kind of overwrite that.


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