Cyberpunk 2077

The problem with having a note "above the line" saying that information comes from this or that trailer is that when another editor comes along and adds an entry, it's impossible to know whether they saw the note or not and therefore whether they're drawing from the same source. So we're left with the same problem of not knowing whether a given entry is valid and just needs citation, is speculation based on previous knowledge of the franchise, or if people are just plain making stuff up, or what.

So even in cases, as with Sasquatch, where the character description says the character featured in [whatever the character was featured in], we still need something in the individual trope entries saying where that trope takes place.

Right now, the only entry under Sasquatch where that's a problem is Drop The Hammer, which reads:

• Drop The Hammer: She fights V using a huge industrial sledgehammer.

Am I correct in assuming that, like the other entries, this happens in the Deep Dive gameplay video? Therefore it could be worded:

• Drop The Hammer: In the Deep Dive gameplay video, she fights V using a huge industrial sledgehammer.

That would be better, although it could use more context. From the Drop The Hammer trope description:

While the core definition of the trope is just "a hammer used as a weapon," it would be nice to know what other possible attributes of the trope, if any, apply. The entry already describes the size of the hammer, so that's good so far. What about these other attributes? Is it played for laughs? Does it inspire terror? Is it thrown or used in melee? Is the character using it The Big Guy, a Mighty Glacier, a Cute Bruiser, a cleric type?

Etc. etc. etc.

Edited by HighCrate on Oct 8th 2020 at 12:36:09 PM

Yes, I did mention that it's a massive industrial sledgehammer (even named so in the tooltip visible when V looks at it in the video), and two tropes below that, I describe a situation where Sasquatch demonstrates her Lightning Bruiser capabilities, chucking that big-ass hammer at V and immediately dashing into melee range.

There may be some entries where I got distracted or assumed that a related trope ties into the one described.

I also clarified the Schrödinger's Question trope in regard to Jackie, it's less of a "question" and more of a "career choice" - whichever lifepath you pick, you meet Jackie.

And one more thing: I couldn't find any official confirmation that the massive cyborg shown in the Lifepaths featurette is Adam Smasher. CD Projekt never stated it anywhere, despite naming the fixer looking like young Giancarlo Esposito "Mr Goldhands" (and he only shows up on a screenshot!) and revealing the Arasaka manager name as Jenkins (the name of his competitor is revealed in the Lifepaths video, though).

Edited by NotSoBadassLongcoat on Oct 8th 2020 at 10:40:24 AM

A new Night City Wire livestream comes out on Thursday, this time it'll be about vehicles in the game.

Also, I encountered an interesting (but unofficial, so I'm not troping it) info regarding the Maelstrom mission featured in the promo materials. Spoilers incoming. It turns out that Royce is The Starscream to a guy named Brick, currently locked in a cage somewhere in that meatpacking plant. One way to complete the quest is to free Brick and pull a Let's You and Him Fight on Royce. My demand to have at least Deus Ex: Human Revolution in this game seems to be realized in full.

Edited by NotSoBadassLongcoat on Oct 14th 2020 at 1:56:54 PM

So I watched the new Night City Wire. Posting the tropes here, I'll edit them and put on the Sandbox page for updates later:

• Ace Custom: the player's cars are all customized and unique, differing from even the best-quality vehicles in the world.
• Cool Bike: The anime-inspired Yaiba Kusanagi and a 2077 version of an ARCH custom bike. Yes. ARCH, as in Keanu Reeves' motorcycle company.
• Cool Car: Johnny Silverhand's unique 1977 Porsche 911. This was teased in Twitter banter between CD Projekt Red and Porsche official accounts.
  • Also, the Rayfield Aerondight V steals in the Street Kid prologue. Also, my bad, it doesn't fly.
• The Alleged Car: the streets of Night City are also populated by junkers held on duct tape, zip ties and fitted with home-made workarounds for all kinds of things. To quote the lead vehicle designer, "If it looks cheap, it drives cheap."

New trailers.

One for the main outfit styles you can choose from.

And another for the vehicles.

Also, your thoughts on Jason Schreier's hot take about supposed former dev complaining about crunch?

Mine are very to the point and can be contained in one word: BULLSHIT.

What he say exactly?

Here.

Edited by Dirtyblue929 on Oct 15th 2020 at 8:00:33 AM

That story has more holes than a wheel of emmentaler. Hence my reaction.

• First, the whole timeline is off. In May 2019, the game just could not have been "barely out of alpha" and "made almost from scratch", because that would mean they'd have to build it in five months. That and, the entire content of 2018 gameplay reveal would be canned - which, well, wasn't. Why five months? Because at the PGA 2019 convention in October 2019, CDP Red showcased the game as a live demo and claimed that it's feature-complete. If they lied then, the game was still submitted to the rating boards five months later, and for the game of this purported size, ten months still isn't enough unless you warp spacetime.
  • It also happens that people I know saw that PGA 2019 demo and said that while it was pretty cool, it crashed twice.
  • And to give you development time perspective, an early build of Iron Harvest was also showcased at that very same event, and I actually got to play that one. While it's considerably simpler, it was released only a month ago.
• Second, the entire thing reads like a bad snowclone of Destiny, Destiny 2 and Anthem development fuck-ups, and that doesn't take one thing into account: CD Projekt is a Polish company. We have a different culture, we have unions, we have an entire young Social Democrat party that doesn't fuck around when it comes to labor law violations. The entire debacle would snowball out of control with just one social media post by one of their representatives, picked up by one media title after another. Not to mention labor inspection being involved. That, of course, didn't happen.
• Third, someone who actually works in a corporation would know the difference between a benefit and an allowance (this was pointed out by someone else in a FB group I'm in). And someone who actually works in Poland would remember the spelling of a company's name that is not only short, but serves as the main part of their URL.

Also, who the fuck is Takemura? Funko Pop and action figure of this guy, a corporate samurai type, just showed up in webstores, but the fanpage and Twitter are silent about him.

I believe he was mentioned as a Funko ages ago but we still don't know anything.

The following entry has insufficient context:

• Red and Black and Evil All Over: As consistently depicted in the pre-release media, they favor black or charcoal clothing, cybernetics with red lighting.

You're missing a rather important part of the trope. They have red and black coloration, great. Are they evil?

The entry is from Characters.Cyberpunk 2077 and refers to the Maelstrom.

Edited by HighCrate on Oct 17th 2020 at 9:25:27 AM

Who is the they?

Considering that the other entries are Ax-Crazy and Cybernetics Eat Your Soul with enough of their antics described?

Their theme song could be "Am I Evil".

Cool. Can that context be added to the entry text then?

I believe that's in reference to the Maelstrom gang, the ones that have so thurously cybernetically enchanced themselves that they have giant black boxes in their heads instead of faces and what-not.

And, yes, I believe it's kinda obvious from the context. NONE of the gangs are particularly good and the ones that are are the exception, not the rule, like the Lizzies. They're a rather nasty street gang.

Things that are "obvious" to fans of the franchise may be non-obvious to non-fans. That's why context needs to be given within the example text.

Edit: NSBALC added some extra context to the entry. Looks good, thanks.

Edited by HighCrate on Oct 17th 2020 at 3:49:29 AM

I mean, I'd say other tropes are the context in this case. I know I've read a dozen or more other long established pages they don't feel the need to cite that bad guy is bad in their trope entries, especially if it's clear from the surrounding tropes.

The fact that other pages have insufficient context is not a reason to have insufficient context here.

Entries may not use other entries as context, as those entries may be changed or removed.

All of this is established wiki policy.

Edited by HighCrate on Oct 17th 2020 at 6:27:00 AM

Here I thought this was TV Tropes, not the Department of Redundancy Department.

I think that that trope does work for Maelstrom as they are the the best example of cyberpsychosis in the setting paired with black and red seeming to be their colors.

I do think though that that entry isn't the best at explaining why Maelstrom qualifies as evil. A small basic descriptor that they put far too much cybernetics in themselves to the point its easy for them to commit crimes would help.

Edited by Wispy on Oct 17th 2020 at 6:56:12 AM

I don't think Maelstrom are evil. That's... a difficult label to apply to a lot of the factions in Cyberpunk - they're ALL grey shading to black, some more than others; and more often than not, it depends on the individuals.

OF course, that's until we get to the Klowns. Those guys are.... yep. NOPE.

(Don't think they're in the video game at least...)

But Royce is definitely Axe-Crazy and a Star Scream.

The Maelstrom veer towards Chaotic Evil and Chaotic Neutral because they can be negotiated with. BUT they door have a higher chance of cyberpsychosis due to basically bolting what looks like most of Doom's cybernetic aesthetic into their faces.

Course: Citation needed for all of this, but that's my take on them...

Actually, the Gangs of Night City featurette spells it out clearly. Placide might be a two-faced jerk, Tyger Claws are ruthless pimps, Sixth Street are 2077's Trumpkins and the Animals live for fighting, but Maelstrom are said to shoot kids For the Evulz. There's a gameplay preview (for the Nomad prologue, I think) where you have to rescue a Buddhist monk the Maelstrom kidnapped in order to forcibly cybernetize him.

That's Jackie saying that wasn't it? I did watch that but didn't quite pick up that they were the worst of the bunch.

May have to rewatch the feature... there seem to be a few gangs that do organ harvesting (The one where you rescue the Corpo heiress and give her to the Trauma Team); and was the Bhuddist kidnapped by Maelstrom? Thinking on it, would make sense...

They certainly seem more... in it for the Lu Lz. Like unhinged Tech Priests...